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Originally Posted by host
ace, I gave you a good explanation, in post #8, here:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=121564
...as to why Mr. Bush cannot be trusted concerning staying within the framework of the FISA law, you never replied. Post #1 in that thread, illustrates why none of Mr. Bush's statements can be trusted, although you disagreed... |
My point is - I do not trust Bush. I do not trust you. I do not trust the Pope. I believe all of you will do what you think is in your best interest and if that conflicts with my interest I will get 'screwed' unless I stand up and fight for my interests. If my interests are aligned with Bush, you or the Pope then that makes us o.k., but I still wont trust you, Bush or the Pope.
So you argue the wrong point with me. I agree that Bush can not be "trusted" to act within the frame work of the FISA law. If I wrote the law or had the responsibility of checks and balances I would have a means to make sure the law was being enforced and carried out as I intended. If I found a violation I would make sure there were consequences for the violation. Assuming Bush violated the law, Bush pretty much gave Congress the finger and defiantly asked what they were going to do about it. What did they do? Pretty much nothing.
It like the penalty of holding in football. If you comit the infraction of holding on a play and your team scores, but the ref did not make the call - are you guilty of holding? Yes and no. You certainly committed the infraction, but your team scored. On the other hand if the ref calls the penalty, your team loses points, yards - you may be subject to increased scrutiny, you may lose your starting position, you may lose your 7 figure contract, you may lose you r super model wife, etc.
So there you have it. Consequence minimizes infractions. On the other hand if let people get away with what you think is wrong, they keep doing it. In the end, I actually think we agree, because I thought your point was more about the failings of Congress, I don't dispute Bush doing things to test the limits of what is legal or within his executive power.