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Old 01-17-2008, 11:33 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
So, are you telling me that I am misinformed Host? Some super elite council of rich white men subsidize and perpetuate a notion that frivilious law suits are the cause that drive up insurance premiums, and it is completely unfounded and false? It's merely a vast conspiracy? I'll believe you, but besides one line referring how in 06' malpractice suits evened out, which does not at all address how they spiked the several years before that, the only other thing your post touched on was these evil white men and their connections, also they fund groups sympathetic their causes .

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Interesting it wasn't an increase in claims, it was an increase in damages...

BUt I'm sure I'm offbase on this, it's probably has nothing to do with anything.
Mojo.... I'm not telling you, I am laying it out in front of you, for you to read. I am motivated by the air of certainty I see in the way you assert what you believe to be true. I am showing you the source of your opinions, who finances the dissemination of them, and the political agenda that justifies the "investment", by that small number of extremely wealthy, extremely conservative foundations. Bush and Cheney then read the script, and the entire republican noise machine sings the harmony.

What has either Bush or Cheney been accurate or truthful about?

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http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4098&sequence=0
Congressional Budget Office
Cost Estimate March 10, 2003
H.R. 5
Help Efficient, Accessible, Low-cost, Timely Healthcare (HEALTH) Act of 2003
As ordered reported by the House Committee on Energy and Commerce on March 6, 2003


...Impact on Health Insurance Premiums
The percentage effect of H.R. 5 on overall health insurance premiums would be far smaller than the percentage impact on medical malpractice insurance premiums. Malpractice costs account for a very small fraction of total health care spending; even a very large reduction in malpractice costs would have a relatively small effect on total health plan premiums.....
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http://www.factcheck.org/article133.html
President Uses Dubious Statistics on Costs of Malpractice Lawsuits
January 29, 2004
Two Congressional agencies dispute findings that caps on damage awards produce big savings in medical costs.
Summary
The President holds out the prospect of major cost savings if Congress will pass a law limiting what injured patients can collect in lawsuits. He wants a cap of $250,000 on any damages for “pain and suffering” and other non-economic damages. His administration projects savings to the entire economy of between $60 billion and $108 billion per year in health-care costs, including $28 billion or more to federal taxpayers.
But both the General Accounting Office and the Congressional Budget Office criticize the 1996 study the Bush administration uses as their main support. These nonpartisan agencies suggest savings – if any – would be relatively small.

Analysis
In a speech in Little Rock, Arkansas on Jan. 26 the President said, “One of the major cost drivers in the delivery of health care are these junk and frivolous lawsuits.” He said rising malpractice insurance premiums and needless medical procedures ordered up out of fear of lawsuits cost federal taxpayers “at least” $28 billion a year in added costs to government medical programs. Bush’s Department of Health and Human Services claims total savings – public and private – of as much as $108 billion a year. ....
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20040204.html
Welcome to "Ask the White House" -- an online interactive forum where you can submit questions to Administration officials and friends of the White House. Visit the "Ask the White House" archives to read other discussions with White House officials.

Doug Badger
Senior Health Policy Advisor
Biography

February 4, 2004


Emily, from Nahunt, MA writes:
Why did President Bush say Tuesday that medical malpractice lawsuits were one of the major cost drivers in the delivery of health care when a recent Congressional Budget Office study found that malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent of health care spending?

Doug Badger
Hi Emily

Great question. Medical malpractice is driving up the cost of care for everyone and driving good doctors out of the medical profession.

While some academic studies have found that the cost of “defensive medicines” – the tests and procedures that your doctor in order to avoid lawsuits – are higher than 2 percent, this is still an awful lot of money.

We spent $1.6 trillion on health care in 2002. Two percent of that is around $32 billion per year. Those are pretty substantial savings.

The President believes that we’ve got to get rid of “junk lawsuits” and move to a system where victims of bad care are properly compensated.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul19.html
Cheney Urges Cap on Malpractice Awards
Proposal Aims to Improve Health Care
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 20, 2004; Page A06


....An analysis by the Congressional Budget Office said the malpractice bill would benefit physicians and the government but would reduce private health insurance premiums a scant 0.4 percent.

"The Bush administration largely gets it backwards," said Columbia University law professor and physician William M. Sage. "They say health care is expensive because of lawsuits. I say lawsuits are expensive because of our health care system."......
This malpractice insurer admitted the insignifigance of payouts from "frivilous lawsuits" or jury awards, as a total percentage of it's payouts:
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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...1/ai_n12946587
Insurer questions impact of lawsuit caps on medical malpractice
Journal Record, The (Oklahoma City), Mar 11, 2005 by Janice Francis-Smith

...But such reforms do help insurance companies stay in business, and that's good for everybody in the long run, said the insurer's spokesman. What's more, lawsuit reform isn't the only way to tame rising premiums, he said.

Shortly following the passage of lawsuit reforms in Texas in 2003, the Medical Protective Co., a unit of GE Insurance Solutions, applied for a 19 percent rate increase. The company explained its reasoning in a letter and memo addressed to the Texas Department of Insurance.

According to the filing, three of the major provisions of Texas' lawsuit reform package - capping non-economic damages, reducing the interest rate on pre- and post-judgment interest, and periodic payment of future damages exceeding $100,000 - were estimated to save the insurer less than 3 percent of total losses paid for 2004.

Non-economic damages are a small percentage of total losses, reads the memo. Capping non-economic damages will show loss savings of 1 percent.

A copy of Medical Protective's filing from 2003 was obtained by the California-based nonprofit organization the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, which promoted the documents as evidence that caps on non-economic damages do not affect insurance premiums.

John Novaria, spokesman for GE Insurance Solutions, said to take the filing out of context misrepresents the facts.

After Proposition 13 was passed in Texas, in late 2003, we were asked by the Texas Department of Insurance to basically tell how much impact a cap would have on loss savings, not necessarily on premiums, said Novaria. If we're asked a couple of weeks after this thing passes to make this sort of a determination, where is the data?

Our position is that caps on non-economic damages can be effective, but reforms such as this really have to stand the test of time, said Novaria. It has to work its way through the courts, through legal challenges, and sometimes it may be years before you start seeing insurers rolling back their premiums and charging less, because it's going to take so long for any kind of litigation to make its way through court....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...801490_pf.html
Calculating Malpractice Claims
Study by Consumers Group Suggests Insurers Set Premiums Based on Market, Not Their Losses

By Dean Starkman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 29, 2005; D01

The insurance industry has long argued that huge losses from malpractice suits -- now running more than $7 billion a year -- have forced it to hike malpractice premiums, which more than doubled last year in some cities and for some specialties.

But a new study by a consumer group shows that losses reported to state regulators -- the figures often cited by the industry -- were much larger than losses actually paid during a nine-year period.

The study, by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, a Santa Monica, Calif., advocacy group, found that from 1986 to 1994 the industry reported to regulators losses of $39.6 billion but actually paid only $26.7 billion, 31 percent less. The losses were overstated in each of the nine years.

The study examined a period that ended a decade ago to compare losses insurers reported to regulators as "incurred" with the amount actually paid after malpractice claims had made their way through the court system -- a process that can take nine or 10 years. By that measure, 1994 is the most recent year for which industry-wide data were available.

What insurers initially report to regulators as "losses" actually are only estimates of what claims will cost once they are settled. Insurers don't pay every claim or loss they report, since some turn out to have no merit and others are more or less expensive than first believed. That is particularly true for claims involving litigation, which can take a long time and be hard to predict. But insurers use those estimates to help set premiums for the coming year. So prices can go up, even if the losses eventually turn out to be smaller
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<h3>After California instituted "tort reform", and medical malpractice insurance rates rose more than 400 percent in the subsequent 13 years, a 20% insurance premium rollback ended the trend of dramatic rate increases:</h3>
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www.cga.ct.gov/2004/rpt/2004-R-0591.htm
July 29, 2004
2004-R-0591

CALIFORNIA MEDICAL MALPRACTICE PREMIUMS


By: Janet L. Kaminski, Associate Legislative Attorney


You asked how California’s 1975 Medical Injury Compensation Reform Act affected medical liability premiums.

SUMMARY

In 1975, California enacted the Medical Injury Compensation Reform Act (MICRA), which limits non-economic damage awards in medical malpractice cases to $ 250,000 and limits attorneys’ fees in such cases. The law reduced defendants’ payments to plaintiffs by nearly 30% and plaintiff’s net recoveries by 15%, according to a recently released study by the RAND Corporation. The study did not address the impact of MICRA on insurance premiums.

California medical malpractice premiums increased significantly during the first 13 years operating under MICRA, based on data from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC). Then, in 1988, California voters approved Proposition 103, which implemented a one-year rate freeze, a rate rollback of 20%, and “prior approval” rate regulation. During the following 13 years, medical malpractice premiums stabilized and, overall, declined 2%. California premiums also tracked closely with national trends for years after MICRA was enacted, but diverged after Proposition 103 was adopted. (See Figures 1 and 2 below, prepared by the Foundation for Taxpayer & Consumer Rights using NAIC data. )

Figure 1:
<img src="http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/images/2004-R-0591-1.gif">

Figure 2:
<img src="http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/images/2004-R-0591-2.gif">

“PRIOR APPROVAL” RATE REGULATION

As a result of Proposition 103, the California insurance commissioner must approve property and casualty (including medical malpractice) insurance rates prior to their use (Cal. Ins. Code § 1861. 01(c)). Insurers must file a complete rate application with the commissioner (Cal. Ins. Code § 1861. 05(b)). The commissioner has 14 days to determine if the application is complete. If complete, he must then provide public notice of the application within 10 days of the determination (Cal. Ins. Code § 1861. 05(c) and 10 CCR § 2648. 2).

The rate application is considered approved 60 days after public notice is made, unless:

• a consumer requests a hearing within 45 days of the public notice and the commissioner grants the request, or he denies the request and gives his reasons in writing;

• the commissioner decides to hold a hearing on his own motion; or

• the proposed rate is more than 15% of the current rate for commercial lines (7% for personal lines) and the commissioner receives a timely request for a hearing (Cal. Ins. Code § 1861. 05(d)).

Regardless, a rate application is considered approved 180 days after the commissioner receives it unless the commissioner disapproves the application after a hearing, or special circumstances exist. Pursuant to Cal. Ins. Code § 1861. 05(d), special circumstances include the following:

• a hearing is started during the 180-day period, in which case the filing takes effect at the end of the 180-day period or 60 days after the hearing, whichever is longer, unless disapproved prior to that date;

• the rate application is the subject of judicial proceedings, in which case the commissioner will have no less than 30 days after the proceedings to approve or disapprove the application; and

• the hearing is continued in accordance with California Government Code § 11524, in which case the filing takes effect at the end of the 180-day period or 100 days after the case is submitted for continuance, whichever is later, unless disapproved prior to that date. ....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...13/ai_11799235

Insurers vow to fight order to repay policyholders - order of the California Department of Insurance to comply with the rate rollback provision of Proposition 103
Los Angeles Business Journal, Oct 21, 1991 by David Tobenkin
Claim move would drastically slash their profitability

Los Angeles-based insurers vowed to challenge California Department of Insurance orders issued last week requiring them to return millions of dollars to policyholders under the rate rollback provision of Proposition 103.....

.....Insurers have the right to appeal their ordered refunds through administrative hearings with Insurance Department officials. Many observers, however, expect insurers to launch a new round of litigation which is expected to tie up the refunds for years even if it fails to overturn it.

One thing in the insurance commissioner's favor, however, is his ability to deny insurance companies rate increases. Unlike his predecessor, Garamendi has approved no rate increases since taking office in January and said he will not do so until refunds are paid.

Garamendi also said he would continue to charge 10 percent annual interest on unpaid sums, and urged customers to write in and put pressure on their insurance companies to pay them refunds.

"We have reached the turning point in the fight to implement Prop. 103 -- a point from which there will be no retreat," said Garamendi. "To the millions of Californians who have waited over 1,000 days for their rebates from one of these 14 companies: now that you know how much you're owned, let them know how fast you want it."

Bitterli said that he believes that Garamendi was confronted with two alternatives in the effort to obtain insurer refunds: offer low rates in an attempt to persuade insurers to settle, or push for the maximum possible rollback and risk having the rollbacks tied up in the courts for further years. He chose the latter.

<h3>Garamendi enjoyed his first success in getting insurers to comply on Oct. 9, when NORCAL Mutual Insurance Co., a physician-owned malpractice mutual, became the first insurance company to voluntarily agree to return $19.9 million to policyholders.</h3>

Garamendi noted that under regulations which were later repealed at Garamendi's behest, an administrative law judge recommended a 5 percent rollback for insurer SAFECO and no rollback at all for CSAA insurance company. Under Garamendi's new regulations, SAFECO had a $110 million rollback instead of $17.5 million and CSAA, $157 million instead of nothing.

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