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Originally Posted by ottopilot
So what does Scooter and GW have to do with Marion Jones going to jail?
Marion Jones should get a presidential pardon?
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Originally Posted by Tophat665
Well, the crime he was going to jail for was essentially the same as hers - lying under oath. And if I understand it properly, her lying was about actions that may have affected national prestige, but surely didn't affect national security or ruin any careers other than her own.
Fixed that for ya.
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
First of all, Host... that was a bit of unrelated nonsense. Please take your grindstone elsewhere.
Second, sending a woman to prison is not more or less serious than sending a man. To suggest otherwise is pretty sexist. Crime is crime. To the crime be prepared to do the time.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
host, I always get a chuckle when you try to derail a thread as only you can do. Nice try, though.
SF - I certainly appreciate the sentiment of your statement. In a perfect world, it makes sense. Unfortunately, if it were to come to pass, it would be abused in this world.
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Note the date of my post, and the date of this NY Times reporting. I guess the NY Times reporter followed my reaction.
I have now supported my the legitimacy of comparing justice for Marrion Jones with 'justice" for the president's perjurer.
I would appreciate it if posters who logged what amount to "drive-by sinped) criticism, seemingly more aimed at me, and my "rep" than as rebuttals of what I actually posted, would drive back around to this thread, pull into a space, shut of the motor, or at least put the shift selector in the "P" position, and actually post an opinion about what I posted, instead of a "quickie", about me. Fair enough?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/sp...ef=todayspaper
Blinded and Broken by Ambition
By HARVEY ARATON
Published: January 12, 2008
White Plains
... When she finally admitted to government investigators that she had used performance-enhancing drugs before and after her five-medal haul at the 2000 Summer Olympics, Jones told them she believed she had been using flaxseed oil given to her by her former coach, Trevor Graham. The judge said he found it “a very difficult thing to believe” that Jones, as a world-class athlete, would not have recognized the dramatic effects on her body and her results as they occurred.
“I am troubled, quite frankly, by that statement,” Karas said, and who objectively could blame him? He soon after announced the six-month sentence based on Jones’s guilty plea to two counts of perjury, to be followed by two years of probation, with an appropriate mix of sadness and resolve.
Yes, he might have accepted the assertion by one of Jones’s attorneys, F. Hill Allen, that Jones had made a courageous, legacy-unraveling admission, had already been “pilloried, battered and dragged through the public square.” <h2>No, the sanctimonious call for jail time doesn’t come easily when the government can so blithely spring one of its own (see President Bush’s commuting of Scooter Libby’s 30-month sentence for four counts of perjury in the Valerie Plame case).</h2>
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But this was Karas’s court, his show, his admitted decision to speak out on the performance-enhancement scourge. By making an example of Jones, he was sending a message to other athletes who would fail to distinguish a federal investigation from a sportswriters’ inquiry. The criminal penalties for perjury, Karas ominously noted before sending Jones into the arms of her husband, the sprinter Obadele Thompson, have nothing to do with the forfeiture of medals and records.
Watching Thompson console Jones, you wondered how a poised, college-educated woman could have failed to comprehend the difference between public spin and the risk of legal self-destruction. Does transcendent stardom blind these people to how far there is to fall?
Jones stonewalled for so long, held tight to her medals, dragged relay partners into her muddle. On some level, she had to know all along that there were people who could testify against her. Even as his attorneys forcefully argue for Roger Clemens, it would be naïve to think they weren’t watching closely Friday, wondering if Clemens is in the same state of denial as Jones (and, possibly, Barry Bonds).
“Yes, I’ve made mistakes by lying,” Jones told the judge. “And I’ve admitted to these mistakes much later than I should have.”
Long before she stepped into Karas’s courtroom, she tried to save herself in that unpredictable and capricious place we call the court of public opinion. The medals were certainly at stake, as was, she believed, her ability to continue earning based on what she had achieved.
But laws do not govern public opinion, nor is hard evidence required in that court to convict, as the tight-lipped Mark McGwire well knows. Conversely, the public also reserves the right to grant amnesty whenever it is sufficiently moved to. What, for example, did Kobe Bryant do to repair his once-devastated reputation besides score 81 points in a single game?....
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/sp...rssnyt&emc=rss
Sentence for Jones Could Be Longer
By JULIET MACUR
Published: January 5, 2008
Despite a plea to the judge for a light sentence, the former Olympic track star Marion Jones may be facing more prison time than she expected for lying about her steroid use and involvement in a check-fraud scheme.
United States District Judge Kenneth M. Karas filed an order Thursday in White Plains asking the prosecution and Jones’s defense team to explain why Jones should not be given two consecutive sentences for her two counts of providing false statements to federal agents. He wrote that consecutive sentences may be possible if they occurred in “separate investigations of unrelated criminal conduct in different jurisdictions.”
Karas said he was not bound by the plea agreement in which prosecutors suggested a maximum of six months in prison for Jones, who is 32 and has two children.
He also said he was not bound by sentencing guidelines.....
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...52C1A9679C8B63
Metro Briefing | New York: Manhattan: Prosecutor Named To Terror Unit
By BENJAMIN WEISER (NYT) (COMPILED BY ANTHONY RAMIREZ)
Published: November 2, 2001
A veteran prosecutor in the United States attorney's office in Manhattan has been appointed co-chief of the office's unit specializing in terrorism cases. The prosecutor, Kenneth M. Karas, replaces Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who was confirmed last week as United States attorney in Chicago. David N. Kelley continues as the other co-chief of the unit. Mr. Karas, 37, joined the prosecutor's office in 1992 and has been assisting in the investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington. Earlier this year, he helped try four men charged with conspiring with Osama bin Laden in the 1998 bombings of two American embassies. Benjamin Weiser (NYT)
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In 2004, GW Bush appointed Kenneth Karas to the federal bench. Patrick J. Fitzgerald seems a brighter, more capable choice for the appointment to the bench that was awarded to Karas.
You don't see hypocrisy, you aren't disgusted by the lack of equal justice, under the law....but you bothered to drive-by to log here, that "host" is posting OT, in your opinions, but, in a one sentence, toss the rolled up newspaper out the window and onto the porch kinda delivery, you really couldn't say why, host was the problem with the discussion here.
He just was....right? |