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Originally Posted by Seaver
Nope, those numbers have not changed at all.
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So in your opinion the surge is only held once a year? Or do you think that December is the only month that counts?
The rate of coalition deaths has increased since the surge, as I stated and supported above, and there is absolutely no evidence that Iraqi civilian death rates have dropped off. In fact, they are not only holding steady but are increasing. Displacement of Iraqi civilians is the highest in history, let alone the past few years. How would you measure success?
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Sadly a 'victory' in Iraq is the last thing the American left wants right now, for obvious reasons.
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There's no such thing as "victory" in Iraq until certain terms are provided by those committing the war. If Bush can come on TV and say, "We will have won when a, b and c have been accomplished", then we may have some idea of when this mess may finish.
The left didn't want us there in the first place. Had we not been ignored thousands of American soldiers would be with their families, millions of Iraqis would be alive, and Katrina wouldn't have been a problem because the National Guard would have been home to take care of an actual threat to the US. The right is guilty of genocide and treason.
But let's blame the left, shall we?