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host · 01-09-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

host buddy, if you didn't absolutely hate, despise, and think the person I'd support was guilty of crimes against the people I'd know I made the wrong choice.

Some people in this country are not waiting for the next revolution, and are pretty happy over all with life even if not everything in the world at large is to their liking.

You radicals see the countries rejection of Bush to be your golden opportunity to get someone far more left into office than would normally be electable. Not on their policies but out of a dislike for republicans currently. You are right this is your best chance as on the issues you wouldn't have a prayer.

Moderates like Hilary must be trashed so that the path is clear for the more 'true' left wing.

McCain is your nightmare republican for this election. Hes open, hes viewed as moderate, he is a former POW and the public still knows its a dangerous situation in the mideast.

I'm not a McCain fan myself, I think hes a camera whore, but right now he is your worst nightmare as the republican nomination.

I'm sleeping like a baby, Ustwo....

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http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...580&isRss=true
January 6, 2008 Sunday
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CBS "FACE THE NATION" HOST: BOB SCHIEFFER;
GUEST: SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN (R-AZ)

MR. SCHIEFFER: And good morning, again. Well, here we are back in New Hampshire. And with us is Senator John McCain who is hot, hot, hot according to these latest polls. He has now pulled into a lead, a small one but a lead, over Mitt Romney.

And I must say, Senator, six weeks ago I never would have thought that.

SEN. MCCAIN: (Laughs.) Bob, that just shows that you're not very bright or prescient....

...MR. SCHIEFFER: And I look back, you're the only candidate now with military experience. I think that Senator Dodd was in the military Reserves. I think Ron Paul served. But amongst the frontrunners here, you're the only one, and this is the first election in a long time that I can remember that, that served in the military. Should that count?

SEN. MCCAIN: Very interesting. By the way, you are the only leading political person in America that also has military experience, even if you were dishonorably discharged....

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http://pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

"Looking back, do you think the United States did the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, or should the U.S. have stayed out?"

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"Thinking about Iraq: Do you think the U.S. made the right decision or the wrong decision in using military force against Iraq?"

.10/17-23/07

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http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher...42962&start=21
SHOW: Meet the Press 10:00 AM EST NBC
January 6, 2008 Sunday

....MR. RUSSERT: Looking back at the beginning of the war, back in March of 2003...

SEN. McCAIN: Yep.

MR. RUSSERT: ...if you had known then, if the intelligence came out and said, "We know that Saddam Hussein does not have biological..."

SEN. McCAIN: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: ..."or, or chemical or a nuclear program..."

SEN. McCAIN: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: ...would you still have voted to authorize the war?

SEN. McCAIN: Well, obviously, given information that we have changes your decision-making process. But Saddam Hussein was still a threat. The sanctions were breaking down. There was a multibillion dollar Oil for Food scandal in the United Nations. The--every day American airplanes were being shot at. Saddam Hussein had used and acquired weapons of mass destruction in the past, and there was no doubt there was going to be in the future. The problem in Iraq, my friend, was not whether we went in or not, it's the way it was mishandled after the initial invasion.

MR. RUSSERT: Yeah, but, Senator, it's an important question because President Bush...

SEN. McCAIN: It's an important...

MR. RUSSERT: President Bush has said...

SEN. McCAIN: Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: ..."Even if I knew he did not have biological, chemical or nuclear program..."

SEN. McCAIN: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: ..."I still would go into Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein." Would you have?

SEN. McCAIN: I--yes, but the point is that if we had done it right, it's been well chronicled in many, in many books, you and I wouldn't be even discussing that now. The mishandling after the war. Look, I met with a high-ranking former al-Qaeda operative in Iraq recently. And I asked him, "How did you succeed?" He said, "The lawlessness after the initial invasion and Abu Ghraib." And so they were able to recruit people because of the disorder and the mishandling. So you would not be asking me if it hadn't been mishandled, you would've said because we succeeded in an established and stable Iraq, you would've said, "Aren't you glad we went in? Because Saddam Hussein, one of the most brutal, most terrible dictators in history, who fought in several wars, used weapons of mass destruction, invaded his neighbor, is now gone from the world scene." That's what you'd be saying.

MR. RUSSERT: But I think there'd be a real debate with the, with the--amongst the American people if we were told he did not have biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.

SEN. McCAIN: If frogs had wings--look, Tim, we can talk about lots of hypotheticals. Would we have, would we have stopped Saddam Hussein from going into Kuwait back in '91 when, when he went in? Would we have, would we have said that the Chinese aren't going to cross--would we have known--if we had known that the Chinese were going to cross the Yalu in the Korean War, would we have done it differently? I'd love to get into thousands of historical hypotheticals with us, but what we knew at the time and the information we had at the time that every single intelligence agency in the world believed he had weapons of mass destruction. So...

MR. RUSSERT: So bottom line, the war was not a mistake?

SEN. McCAIN: The war, the invasion was not a mistake. The handling of the war was a terrible mistake....

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/business/15rich.html
By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
Published: December 15, 2007

...........Earlier reports, based on tax returns, showed that in 2005 the top 10 percent, top 1 percent and fractions of the top 1 percent enjoyed their greatest share of income since 1928 and 1929.........