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Originally Posted by samcol
.....Anyone who talked about this days or even years after 9/11 would of been considered a conspiracy kook. Why is that different today?
The NIST stuff is pretty amazing in the fact that they are finally talking about what many of us have known about the subject for years. Thanks to Rudy and other war mongers people can't even stand hearing the word 9/11 anymore. There is a total media blackout about this.
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They have a of work to ignore.....I mean....to DO....if they plan to publish their whitewash.....I mean their final report on the WTC 7 collapse, before the 7th anniversary, this coming september:
(From the first NY Times quote box displayed in post #176- <h3>"But experts said no building like it, a modern, steel-reinforced high-rise, had ever collapsed because of an uncontrolled fire, and engineers have been trying to figure out exactly what happened and whether they should be worried about other buildings like it around the country.")</h3>
FROM THE OFFICIAL ONGOING WTC 7 COLLAPSE INVESTIGATION, JUST 75 MONTHS AND ONE WEEK, AFTER 9/11:
NIST audio/slide visuals presentation at 12/18/07 "progress" meeting:
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http://www.stage6.com/user/ISIS2001/...ember-18,-2007
NCST Advisory Committee Meeting, December 18, 2007
s. shyam sunder
0:19:25
Working Hypothesis not tested preliminary
Normal Building fires not fires from leaking pressurized fuel tanks
0:21:25
Combustibles normal buiding contents
...no fuel ...from day tanks or large tanks
0:22:50
Ventilation somewhat limited
0:46:00
No working sprinklers= Burnout without collapse...nothing in building codes that gurantees that...large floor spans and less redundancy varies how buildings will perform...
Burnout without collapse code change not approved, will be resubmitted
0:49:40
Movement of fires in building one, every 20 minutes..... Building 7 assumption is fuel (furnishings, office paper...) loading 4 lbs.per square feet, uncertainty exists, analysis accounts for that....
0:55:45
Progression of fires observed from video, east, west, north face, provided basis of analysis, increased and decreased gas yemps in models by 10 percent....model runs from floor 4 to 16, and ls-dyna dynamic analysis from bottom to penthouse...beyond 16 stories, weight of the structure is included....
COMMITTEE ASKS QUESTIONS:
0:59:35
Still true that fire initiated in WTC 7 when North tower collapsed, and fire alarm condition was recored in WTC 7 when dust from south tower collapse reached WTC 7, but alarm system was set on "test", and recorded but not heard. Fire may have initiated in WTC 7 when north tower collape
1:01:40
You said fire in WTC 1 and 2 moved every 20 minutes....in any given locations...fire front....fuels feeding fire were consumed, and moved every 20 minutes...fires on multipile floors on WTC 7 were recorded, fires were actually moving at that rate, about every rule of thumb, 10 lbs. fuel per sq ft. one hour 40 min., and 4 lbs. per sq. ft., lasts 20 min. The height of the temp reached and not the duration, is the factor.....
01:05:45
Heat elements in large spans has the effect of sagging.....
01:07:30
Once fire front passes, still much heat and temperatures may not cool down....
01:08:30
Model is more like a series of burners coming on every 20 minutes, all of the heat on the backside of the fireproofing, fire dynamics models, thermal, and gas temps, fireproofing thickness, all taken into account in the models.... maybe fireproofing doesn't work? I'll hold off until all analysis is concluded before a statement will be made about design practices...
( I stopped listening at 01:12:30 out of 01:38:33 total time.)
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They'll have to ignore all of this, because it sure doesn't jive with any of the fire damage modeling that they claim they are doing, does it?
Quote:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=3
A Search for Clues In Towers' Collapse; Engineers Volunteer to Examine Steel Debris Taken to Scrapyards
By JAMES GLANZ AND ERIC LIPTON
Published: February 2, 2002
...Perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation involves extremely thin bits of steel collected from the trade towers and from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story high rise that also collapsed for unknown reasons. The steel apparently melted away, but no fire in any of the buildings was believed to be hot enough to melt steel outright.
A preliminary analysis of the steel at Worcester Polytechnic Institute using electron microscopes suggests that sulfur released during the fires -- no one knows from where -- may have combined with atoms in the steel to form compounds that melt at lower temperatures. .....
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Quote:
http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf
The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah
Volume VI- Issue II October 2001
On October 5, 2001 only
three weeks since the
tragedy of September 11, I
attended the National Council of
Structural Engineers Associations 9th
Annual Conference. The Keynote
Address was to be presented by
Leslie Robertson, the structural
engineer responsible for the design
of theWorld Trade Center (WTC).
changed to, “The Design,
Construction and Collapse of the
World Trade Center.” Needless to
say, the presentation was a very
emotional one.
(Page 3, left side)
....As of 21 days after the attack, the
fires were still burning and molten
steel was still running......
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Quote:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-86420025.html
Recovery worker reflects on months spent at Ground Zero.(Knight Ridder Newspapers)
Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service
May 28, 2002
Lin, Jennifer
Towering floodlights filled Ground Zero with an electric glow last Friday as Joe "Toolie" O'Toole |
NEW YORK _ Towering floodlights filled Ground Zero with an electric glow last Friday as Joe "Toolie" O'Toole, a Bronx firefighter, descended into the 16-acre pit for his overnight shift.
For five months, O'Toole has worked with a crew of 100 firefighters, combing every shovelful of debris at the World Trade Center site for the remains of the dead.
O'Toole said he would not leave until the last mound of dirt is upended and sifted for fragments of bones.
"I'm here till the end," O'Toole said. "How can I leave?"
But that time has come. Thursday, O'Toole will join other recovery workers and the families of victims to mark a ceremonial end to the recovery effort....
....Underground fires raged for months. O'Toole remembers in February seeing a crane lift a steel beam vertically from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero. "It was dripping from the molten steel," he said.....
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Nothing to see, (or think about...) here, folks.....just a normal, 75 months long investigation into an unprecedented skyscraper collapse, with no indication that it will ever explain what and how, it happened....judging by the briefing of Dec., 18, totally ignored by the journalist community in the U.S.
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