A solution centric discussion only really works if we see the problem as the same.
We as a rule, don't.
Lets take my pet topic, global warming. I've been doing this on the internet since there has been an internet. It used to be more specialized but as the internet expanded and global warming became a political tool so has the debate expanded. In these last 18 odd years I haven't seen anything that leads me to think that humans are causing it. Since I don't see humans as the problem, there can't be a solution centered debate.
Only those who blame humanity for the weather can have a solution centered debate.
Likewise I'm close to a true libertarian when it comes to economic matters. I believe in safe guards to protect the consumer, so not 100% but close. There can be no solution centered debate when so many of the tilted left think someone like Kucinich is their version of good government, or event that he isn't far left enough. There can be no 'solution' only argument.
So while I could have a solution centered debate with Cythethic or Otto, Sever and others here, and roachboy and host and willravel could have one as well, as a group we can not.
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