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Old 12-25-2007, 01:40 PM   #55 (permalink)
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We as a nation are going to awake from our denial. I want it to be sooner.

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/28/sheehan/index.html">(CNN) -- Cindy Sheehan, the California mother who became an anti-war leader after her son was killed in Iraq, declared Monday she was walking away from the peace movement.

She said her son died "for nothing."</a>

The following article was hidden on page A14, presumably because it confirms that what Cindy Sheehan said last May, about her son's sacrafice, was correct. Read the article. Doesn't this give us two choices, wihdraw our military from Iraq, now..... or label nearly all Iraqis as "deadenders", and start rounding "em up?

Quote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121802262.html
<h3>All Iraqi Groups Blame U.S. Invasion for Discord, Study Shows</h3>

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 19, 2007; Page A14

Iraqis of all sectarian and ethnic groups believe that the U.S. military invasion is the primary root of the violent differences among them, and see the departure of "occupying forces" as the key to national reconciliation, according to focus groups conducted for the U.S. military last month.

That is good news, according to a military analysis of the results. At the very least, analysts optimistically [propagandistically] concluded, <h3>the findings indicate that Iraqis hold some "shared beliefs"</h3> that may eventually allow them to surmount the divisions that have led to a civil war.... <h3>[Did Stephen Colbert write that?]</h3>

....According to a summary report of the focus-group findings obtained by The Washington Post, <h3>Iraqis have a number of "shared beliefs" about the current situation that cut across sectarian lines.</h3> Participants, in separate groups of men and women, were interviewed in Ramadi, Najaf, Irbil, Abu Ghraib and in Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods in Baghdad. The report does not mention how the participants were selected.

Dated December 2007, the report notes that "the Iraqi government has still made no significant progress toward its fundamental goal of national reconciliation." Asked to describe "the current situation in Iraq to a foreign visitor," some groups focused on positive aspects of the recent security improvements. <h3>But "most would describe the negative elements of life in Iraq beginning with the 'U.S. occupation' in March 2003," the report says.
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Some participants also blamed Iranian meddling for Iraq's problems. While the United States was said to want to control Iraq's oil, Iran was seen as seeking to extend its political and religious agendas.

Few mentioned Saddam Hussein as a cause of their problems, which the report described as an important finding implying that <h3>"the current strife in Iraq seems to have totally eclipsed any agonies or grievances many Iraqis would have incurred from the past regime</h3>, which lasted for nearly four decades -- as opposed to the current conflict, which has lasted for five years."

Overall, the report said that <h3>"these findings may be expected to conclude that national reconciliation is neither anticipated nor possible. In reality, this survey provides very strong evidence that the opposite is true."</h3> A sense of "optimistic possibility permeated all focus groups . . . and far more commonalities than differences are found among these seemingly diverse groups of Iraqis."
US military propagandists try to put lipstick on a pig to convince us that the only sign of common belief among all competing factions in Iraq is that they want US forces to leave. So they have "stood up"....and, can we "stand down" now? Is there a lamer cause than this for an American soldier to give his life up for? Post one, if you can come up with one that is lamer.

The US caused "agonies" that, "eclipsed any agonies or grievances many Iraqis would have incurred from the past regime", and our invasion and occupation did it in record time.....it took the baathist regime nearly 8 times as long to create a lesser number of "agonies or grievances" among Iraqis. and our military is telling us that it is a good thing that this POV is held across all Iraqi "party lines"..... <h2>HUH ?</h2>

From the center of the WaPo article:
Quote:
....Even though members of the military "understand the limitations" of polling data, Rapp said, "subjective measures" are an important part of the mix. In July, the military signed a contract with Gallup for four public opinion polls a month in Iraq: three nationwide and one in Baghdad. Lincoln Group, which has conducted surveys for the military since shortly after the invasion, received a year-long contract in January to conduct focus groups.....
read what some of us have posted about the "Lincoln Group, here:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=102586

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