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analog · 12-21-2007, 07:27 PM

*comes back in and reads everything since his last post all at once*

Wow.

dk, A few quick observations:

1. I'm sorry that "implied consent" gets in the way of your personal beliefs. However, there are options available to you in the form of what's called an Advanced Directive- a living will. In it, you may indicate as broadly or specifically as you desire exactly what sort of medical treatment you authorize or do not authorize to be performed on yourself.

Examples: You may say you authorize intravenous access for giving medication, but NOT for drawing blood. This would allow medical personnel to give you medicine, but would disallow a blood draw. You could have it say you don't wish any intravenous access whatsoever, though I wouldn't recommend that, because if you were ever in an accident and needed blood or fluids, you'd be screwed. You can even drill it down and say something like you will allow IV access ONLY for the administration of fluids, blood, or medicine, but not for any sedative/hypnotic drugs. This would prevent them from giving you any chemical restraints, or anything to "put you down".

Depending on your state, a living will (or "advanced directive") may or may not need to be arranged by a lawyer, and may or may not require the signature of your physician. Once that's obtained, it's a simple matter of keeping the document on you. That may sound a bit cumbersome, but lots of people do it. Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, often have them because they are barred by religion from receiving any blood products, and must be able to indicate that on paper, should an emergency situation arise.

So you do have solutions to your concerns, regarding unwanted medical procedures. You DO have a right to say what is and isn't done to your body, you just need a *tiny* bit more patience to do the necessary research into it.

(Footnote: a court order can still override it, if let's say you were suspected of driving under the influence, a judge could issue a warrant for your blood to test for alcohol. But this would not be determined by a police officer, this would take a little time and come from a judge. If you don't drive, then this wouldn't really apply to you.)

Now that I'm done helping...

2. Sheeple? You, Mr. "I know my rights better than anyone and the gestapo is jack-booting them all into the stratosphere", don't know your rights when it comes to medical procedure. Don't fucking talk to me about violation of rights, you haven't a single goddamn clue what you're talking about and it pisses me off that you've translated your ignorance of this subject into a hatred. Ladies and gentlemen, a perfect example of ignorance breeding hate. You don't have anything to hate- as I've outlined above, there are ways to specify what medical care you give consent to when it's deemed you're unable to give consent.

You're too busy bitching, whining, complaining, and otherwise being a vocal nuisance to even look into your personal rights on this matter. Everything you've said about a lack of rights is misguided and lacking in education on the subject, because you're making wild claims about the government's ability to force things on you. You obviously have no education on the subject- so I recommend you get some, get an advanced directive so the big, bad nurses of the world can't "violate your rights" and draw some blood, and stop ranting about things on which you're totally clueless.

Plain and simple, you are wrong here. You were unaware of your own rights, which you DO have in the form of an Advanced Directive, and you took the ignorance of your rights in this matter and parlayed it into hatred. Nothing, not even blaming me for the Jewish holocaust, will change the fact that this time, you are totally and unquestionably wrong. I wish you luck on obtaining an Advanced Directive.

12-21-2007, 07:27 PM	#41 (permalink)
analog Banned	comes back in and reads everything since his last post all at once Wow. dk, A few quick observations: 1. I'm sorry that "implied consent" gets in the way of your personal beliefs. However, there are options available to you in the form of what's called an Advanced Directive- a living will. In it, you may indicate as broadly or specifically as you desire exactly what sort of medical treatment you authorize or do not authorize to be performed on yourself. Examples: You may say you authorize intravenous access for giving medication, but NOT for drawing blood. This would allow medical personnel to give you medicine, but would disallow a blood draw. You could have it say you don't wish any intravenous access whatsoever, though I wouldn't recommend that, because if you were ever in an accident and needed blood or fluids, you'd be screwed. You can even drill it down and say something like you will allow IV access ONLY for the administration of fluids, blood, or medicine, but not for any sedative/hypnotic drugs. This would prevent them from giving you any chemical restraints, or anything to "put you down". Depending on your state, a living will (or "advanced directive") may or may not need to be arranged by a lawyer, and may or may not require the signature of your physician. Once that's obtained, it's a simple matter of keeping the document on you. That may sound a bit cumbersome, but lots of people do it. Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, often have them because they are barred by religion from receiving any blood products, and must be able to indicate that on paper, should an emergency situation arise. So you do have solutions to your concerns, regarding unwanted medical procedures. You DO have a right to say what is and isn't done to your body, you just need a tiny bit more patience to do the necessary research into it. (Footnote: a court order can still override it, if let's say you were suspected of driving under the influence, a judge could issue a warrant for your blood to test for alcohol. But this would not be determined by a police officer, this would take a little time and come from a judge. If you don't drive, then this wouldn't really apply to you.) Now that I'm done helping... 2. Sheeple? You, Mr. "I know my rights better than anyone and the gestapo is jack-booting them all into the stratosphere", don't know your rights when it comes to medical procedure. Don't fucking talk to me about violation of rights, you haven't a single goddamn clue what you're talking about and it pisses me off that you've translated your ignorance of this subject into a hatred. Ladies and gentlemen, a perfect example of ignorance breeding hate. You don't have anything to hate- as I've outlined above, there are ways to specify what medical care you give consent to when it's deemed you're unable to give consent. You're too busy bitching, whining, complaining, and otherwise being a vocal nuisance to even look into your personal rights on this matter. Everything you've said about a lack of rights is misguided and lacking in education on the subject, because you're making wild claims about the government's ability to force things on you. You obviously have no education on the subject- so I recommend you get some, get an advanced directive so the big, bad nurses of the world can't "violate your rights" and draw some blood, and stop ranting about things on which you're totally clueless. Plain and simple, you are wrong here. You were unaware of your own rights, which you DO have in the form of an Advanced Directive, and you took the ignorance of your rights in this matter and parlayed it into hatred. Nothing, not even blaming me for the Jewish holocaust, will change the fact that this time, you are totally and unquestionably wrong. I wish you luck on obtaining an Advanced Directive.