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Old 12-21-2007, 07:32 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Talk about semantics
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Originally Posted by inBOIL
This can also happen subconsciously. You can notice things without becoming consciously aware of them, and your mind puts them together, notices a similarity to a past event, and suddenly you get a feeling seemingly out of nowhere.
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Like when you and a friend start to hum the same song. Something you saw triggered the same thought.
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What I have is an uncanny ability to notice tiny things that most people ignore, and quickly process the potential effects of these things.
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I think what is really happening is that they are making guesses based on information that may not be obvious. The brain is complicated enough to detect patterns and give you feelings about conclusions without you consciously knowing why.
I got to disagree with you jewels about semantics, so forgive me if I misunderstood or am going the wrong way.

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ESP (apparent power to perceive things that are not present to the senses)
I wish I could find a better definition than that as I dislike the ambiguous word "senses." This can go to mean: (1) the total stimuli sent to the brain, or (2) only the stimuli which gets consciously interpreted by the brain. I happen to agree with (1).

There isn't anything ESP about these statements---only they have a little extra perception of their senses. One of the five senses stimulated enough neurons lost somewhere which fired information to whichever higher level conscious-related neurons. They were not conscious of those first neurons, but those first neurons were just wired right. Does a man with 20/10 vision have ESP? Does a mentalist have ESP for picking up on the subtle things we communicate in our voice, words, and body language?

With ESP, especially the ESP most here are describing or debating, there is no input through the known five senses that would explain some uncanny ability. Since science is already starting to sound more and more like fantasy (like Feynmann using the idea that positrons are just electrons moving backward in time for his theories in quantum electrodynamics), I don't dismiss the idea that there could be some sense outside our five senses. We just haven't picked up on it. Quantum entanglement is a prime example for ESP, despite disallowing the sending of information, who knows what other phenomena exist within the universe, between us and the world, or a mother and child.

But even I have to say that the box is empty, regardless of how much I want there to be something in it.

And do you really want to drag Spock into this, as his race is psychic? Mr Spock did not like guesses, as he could not consciously and logically account for all variables.
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