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I dont even remember when I started... I know it was before I was able to ejaculate...
back then it was cant do it too much... unless it bleeds... then it was too much... now its still a lot but not quite on the same level.
and the only conversation that was more serious then jokes was amongst a group of my friends, and some how it came out that one of our buddies masterbated by holding the end of his penis and making a stirring motion (think stirring a pot) instead of the normal stroking motion...
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