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Originally Posted by Mister Coaster
Theres NO SANTA????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
I see nothing wrong with hope, wonder and joy in the belief of a fictional character.
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Neither do I- I never said anything about taking away fictional characters. However- Santa is sold, to children, as a NON-fictional character.
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Bugs Bunny is fictional and he makes kids happy, should we put the kabosh on cartoons because they are not real either? Lighten up, dude.
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In fact, I specifically said Santa was a good character for promoting caring, sharing, giving, etc., and that he'd be MORE effective
as a fictional character of morality rather than someone purported to be real. I'm trying to eliminate his status as a "real" person, not his entire existence.
I'm encouraging the use of Santa... just not as a lie. Anything that gives wonder, imagination, hope, joy, etc., to kids is great, and I fully support that. I think Santa would be BETTER if he weren't sold to kids as a lie... because when it's discovered he's a lie, do you really think kids hold onto the morality and value lessons as strongly?
I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to get rid of Santa, but you'd do well to better understand my point before telling me to lighten up.

I'm trying to promote the idea of Santa as fiction, not real, which I think would actually be a BETTER moral lesson, since it doesn't have the logically retarded drawback of being a complete lie to achieve it.
I just don't see where a character who stands for a good, moral lesson and positive influence should be a lie. Fictional, sure. Absolutely. But you're selling him as real, not fictional...