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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
ays - sorry if you felt picked on, but I certainly wasn't trying to bash you. Trust me, you would have known if I were. I didn't mean to offend you, but if you're going to try to use science to prove something, you need to be prepared to be challenged on your assumptions. We're not going to change our minds because you said so. If I think you're wrong, I'm going to say your wrong, and there's absolutely nothing with that. It's one of the very basic principles of this site, and as long as I do it in a respectful way (which I think I did), it's perfectly fine. We don't allow name-calling, and again, you'll note that I did nothing of the sort.
I didn't call you a fool - you'll notice that the word doesn't appear once in my post. I didn't call you anything actually. I just told you that the "facts" you stated were wrong. And I stand by them, especially in the light that your "proof" is homeopathic medicine, not peer-reviewed science. Yes, the skin excretes some wastes, but that doesn't make those wastes "toxins".
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I should have been a bit more clear on my name-calling post, I was referring to willravel's post about me fooling myself and fooling others.
And I understand I might not present things in a structured format, but I just speak what's on my mind.
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Originally Posted by willravel
You think that UVA and UVB rays don't move in a straight line? Sorry to burst your bubble, but other than being slightly pulled off course by the immense gravity of Earth or other massive celestial bodies , the rays of the sun travel in a straight line. If you're sunbathing in Miami, you're not getting sun from Antarctica.
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Did you not pay attention? I said just because the hole is over Antartica, that doesn't mean that the rest of the ozone is not affected. It's possible that the ozone over Miama, although not a hole, could be less effective at blocking UVA than say 200 years ago.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Somehow I doubt the former inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah would agree. Also, the entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, minus a few people. Or the other countless people who had horrible deaths as a direct result of god's wrath, according to the bible.
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Doesn't this go back to the very first post that I made on this thread? Here let me repost it for you:
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Originally Posted by ays
it's funny to me how easy it is for people to rebel against God and then when consequences happen put all the blame on the "loving God." For instance, I heavily abuse drugs for weeks and then overdose resulting in ICU and near-death. "Why is God doing this to me? Why am I in so much pain?"
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Originally Posted by augi
And everything is not purely speculative as you make it out to be. Yes the universe is based off observations and we make models of it... but we have observations! We didn't speculate from a set of books written thousands of years ago that: the Earth was made 4000 years ago, that God exists and loves us, etc.
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Ok, I'm not entirely sure where you going, but I'll try to respond. The reason I said things were purely speculative is because humanly observation is only that, observation. It's when people say science is exact, and FACT, that it starts to get distorted like anything else. This is that, so that must be this. It looks good, and seems logical, but observation is only surface level.
and I have no idea where or who said the earth was 4000 years old. Time is man made. The only time is right now. It's no more rediculous than some scientist throwing some chemicals on some rocks and saying the world is 8 billion years old.
According to science the universe is constantly expanding and always changing. Wouldn't it make sense then, that carbon was probably different 5,000 years ago?
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Originally Posted by augi
Couldn't we leave the global warming out of the thread?!?!? And we all ready know that the sun still gives you cancer even when there aren't those holes in the ozone. Where is the source that states that it is only because of the toxins our skin excretes from eating the cheeseburgers? I honestly want to read some good credible sources!
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For one thing, it's quite possible that global warming can be linked to skin cancer so it's not ludicris to talk about it. If everytime we had a discussion we kept every topic seperate then we wouldn't accomplish much would we? And I didn't say the toxins is the only reason we get skin cancer. I believe EVERYTHING is relative, and all in the same. Is it not science that what you eat affects your body and your skin? Is it not science that ozone layer is depleting? Than put the two together! I'm sure they have something to do with it! I'm not saying it's the answer, but you can't just discredit the possibility.
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Originally Posted by augi
OT but on philosophy: Yes, the world is fucked; you don't need to find articles from China to tell us that. You can either set aside all assumptions about what the world and the universe are and look for the truth yourself, or you can believe in the feelings a set of books give you... Personally, I'll make my own journey.
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Oh believe me, I am a seeker of truth above all else my friend. Even when I was a hopeless, rebellious, lost and confused atheist at the age of 12, I was still a seeker of the Truth. You see, there can only be ONE truth. It's not just a set of books that I use as reference. I look at all life. Yes, the Holy Bible is a HUUUUUUUUGE priceless resource that I refer to often, but I also practice buddhist principals, tai chi, yoga, and learn from scientific research as well.
What it comes down to, is if life was created, then everything would have infinite meaning. Look deep for the meaning! The more I search for the meaning of things, and try to find the truth, the more and more God becomes visible to me.
And you're absolutely right! It is your own journey. Everybody is on their own journey. God to me can mean something completely different to you. But I feel like it would be foolish to assume the Bible is a certain way, and not try to find some meaning in it. You have 66 different books, written by 40+ authors over a 1400+ year span. That's an incredible resource, and we're not talking just any books or authors. You have King Solomon who is the wealthiest and wisest king of all time! This guy had 300 wives and 600 concubines and all the wealth and power you could ever dream of! His story is available to us. You also have moses, and Noah, the 12 disciples who walked with the incarnation, God in the flesh! Even if the big bang theory were true, and God didn't exist, and this was all random, the FACT that the Bible exists would be an absolute MIRACLE - 1 in a 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance of it all coming together.
A seeker of Truth will seek everywhere, and dig deep no matter what it is, because Truth can be found anywhere.