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Old 12-08-2007, 04:08 PM   #39 (permalink)
Ustwo
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Oh dear will.....

I was very intrigued by this one link of yours because unlike say the rolling stones one this one was a real study...

http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf

Ok so I skimmed it, and it looks real. I went straight to the discussion and conclusions, but at any rate this is what I see at the very end...

Quote:
David A. Geier, B.A.
Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D.
Potential conflict of interest
: David Geier has been a consultant in
vaccine/biologic cases before the no-fault National Vaccine Injury
Compensation Program (NVICP) and in civil litigation. Dr. Mark Geier has
been an expert witness and a consultant in vaccine/biologic cases before
the no-fault NVICP and in civil litigation.
Ok ones only a B.A. but hey, we all started somewhere, but both are involved as expert witnesses in anti-vaccination cases....

Ok nothing that says 'wrong' here, but then I google Mark R. Geier and the second link that comes up is in 'quackwatch.org'....not a good thing.

http://www.casewatch.org/civil/geier.shtml

Mmmm oops?

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/rsch/geierk.shtml

He also seems to have had research suspended for poor methodology and violating patient confidentiality codes.

Quote:
Suit alleging thimerosal-autism connection dismissed.

A federal district court has dismissed a product liability suit
against the manufacturer and a distributor of Ayr Saline Nasal Mist,
which contains a tiny amount of the mercury-containing preservative
thimerosal. The suit was filed by a parent and her autistic son who
alleged that the boy's autism was caused by three or four years of
daily use of the spray. The expert evidence they offered was from
geneticist Mark R. Geier, M.D., Ph.D., whose professional activity is
centered around the claim that mercury-containing vaccines are a
major cause of autism. In a motion for summary judgment, the
defendants argued that the plaintiffs had no reliable evidence to
support their allegation the spray was generally capable of causing
autism or had caused the boy's autism and that Geier's report should
be excluded. The judge agreed. Calling Geier "unreliable," the judge
said that Geier's differential diagnosis was faulty because "he
failed to consider one specific alternative explanation - that the
cause of autism is not known today." The judge also noted: "Dr. Geier
has been designated as an expert witness in about 100 cases before
the Vaccine Court. However, in some of those cases, particularly the
more recent ones, his opinion testimony has been excluded or accorded
little or no weight beyond a determination that he was testifying
beyond his expertise." The full decision is posted at
http://www.casewatch.org/civil/ayr.shtml

So what we have here will, is someone who is deemed unreliable by his peers, and the courts.

Now that in itself wouldn't mean he MUST be wrong, but you do have to understand that unlike some vast conspiracy, there isn't a doctor out there who wouldn't want solid proof for what causes something like autism. Even if you were only self serving you would be a hero if you could produce such evidence, yet oddly, here we are with someone with an extensive quackwatch file as your proof.
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