Sun Tzu

How thoughtful, thank you for your concern. You forgot to mention http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ . . . shouldnt leave home without that either, right?





Part of acting is gathering data. Part of gathering data in an arena such as this is HOPEFULLY drawing from the experiences and knowledge others have to add to my own. I brought this thread up again, because I wanted to know if anyone else out noticed or documented 1-2 days each week that are consistently trail free, and asking for images. I attempted to be civil thanking you for what I viewed as excellent images, and tried to gain some information from the climate expertise you boast so much about. Doing nothing is exactly that; doing nothing- out of sight, out of mind.


Im posting this to replace what I had here before. What I stated previously was done in anger and counterproductive. I should take posts like this with a grain of salt and not let it get to me. This is off topic, but considering what I had here before it suits me better. This does correlate to my point. I am a former Christian. Years back I was ultra conservative and believed the Bible. Fast forward, after several trips to Israel with an archeologist, and countless hours of research, the Bible is nothing more than mythology to me now. I still have many Christian friends however. I’ve learned I can not engage into religious conversations with them because its frustrating for me to try and show them the facts I’ve learned revealing what I have found to be true. I gave up because the agitation factor becomes to great when factual information is presented and is countered with what I view is blind faith. While the topics here are founded with information I view as credible, I wonder if the feelings are similar to someone that doesn’t believe in conspiracies. I just came to peace that some people out there will wait their entire lives for a rapture to occur, and still have faith on their deathbed in the reality it never came.

I not going to respond in anger again to anything posted in this fashion. If I post a conspiracy I have to accept and expect the different ways people will post. I hope the contributions are more like the images you found. I had scoured the net looking for something similar and was unsuccessful. If they are like what you posted above-so be it, everyone is has their methods, and actually are usually humorous.



I will still leave this question, I hope you answer it at some point. I’m respectfully curious, not set up for sharp sarcasm from my part.


You have made references in other threads (government conspiracy threads) that you do believe the government has done actions it shouldn’t have. That there is probably conspiracies to some degree that linger out there. In this very thread you state the government probably has sprayed things in the past it shouldn’t have. Yet a majority of your perspective is nothing is going on. I don’t have to ask you where you stand. I just want to know what your threshold is. What is the gauge that says this isn’t right for you. A little conspiracy here and there is OK. What is the “OK’ point with any of it? You believe the Warren Commission, but in the same breath will admit you think there is some minor wrong doings.

In this thread you state you think there has been some spraying going on. Why? What leads you to believe the government has spray in the past. Can you provide any info on what would lead you to believe the government has ever done such a thing?

Like www.gulfweb.org/bigdoc/rockrep.cfm for example.

Where in the timeline do you think they stopped? If you think there has ever been a conspiracy, then there has also been the point for you to decide you're OK with it and further convince yourself there is nothing more to it.

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As far as action, while I would like to do much more I’ve a signed petitions to Congress to let them know it’s not OK. Does it mean much? I dont know, but being a sheep as you stated produces eventful results.

www.geocities.com/cactusmailbox/CACTUS.html


http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html



For anyone else:

A point to bring up--** and to the best of my limited knowledge as I do not claim to be an expert-

Contrails are produced by




The “imaginary chemtrails” are produced by one of these patents.












There are professionals that are experts in various areas that support the trails are not diabolical and not even secret claiming they are being dispersed to counter global warming. Another claim involves radar purposes.

ROBERT McCORMICK ADAMS, Secretary, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.

GEORGE F. CARRIER, T. Jefferson Coolidge Professor of Applied Mathematics, Emeritus, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts

RICHARD N. COOPER, Professor of Economics, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts

ROBERT A. FROSCH, Vice President, General Motors Research Laboratories, Warren, Michigan

THOMAS H. LEE, Professor Emeritus, Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts

JESSICA TUCHMAN MATHEWS, Vice President, World Resources Institute, Washington, D.C.

WILLIAM D. NORDHAUS, Professor of Economics, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut

GORDON H. ORIANS, Professor of Zoology and Director of the Institute for Environmental Studies, University of Washington, Seattle

STEPHEN H. SCHNEIDER, Head, Interdisciplinary Climate Systems, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado

MAURICE STRONG, Secretary General, United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, New York (resigned from panel February 1990)

SIR CRISPIN TICKELL, Warden, Green College, Oxford, England
VICTORIA J. TSCHINKEL, Senior Consultant, Landers, Parsons and Uhlfelder, Tallahassee, Florida

PAUL E. WAGGONER, Distinguished Scientist, The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station, New Haven

PETER BREWER, Executive Director, Monterey Bay Aquarium and Research Center, Pacific Grove, California

RICHARD N. COOPER, Professor of Economics, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts

ROBERT CRANDALL, Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution, Washington, D.C.

ROBERT EVENSON, Professor of Economics, Yale University, Economic Growth Center, New Haven, Connecticut

DOUGLAS FOY, Executive Director, Conservation Law Foundation, Boston, Massachusetts

ROBERT A. FROSCH, Vice President, General Motors Research Laboratories, Warren, Michigan

RICHARD GARWIN, Fellow, Thomas J. Watson Research Center, Yorktown Heights, New York, and Adjunct Professor of Physics, Columbia University, New York

JOSEPH GLAS, Director, Vice President, and General Manager, Fluorochemicals Division, E.I. du Pont, Wilmington, Delaware

KAI N. LEE, Professor and Director, Center for Environmental Studies, Williams College, Williamstown, Massachusetts

GREGG MARLAND, Scientist, Environmental Science Division, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee

JESSICA TUCHMAN MATHEWS, Vice President, World Resources Institute, Washington, D.C.

ARTHUR H. ROSENFELD, Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley, and Director, Center for Building Science, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, California

EDWARD S. RUBIN, Professor, Mechanical Engineering and Public Policy, and Director, Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, Carnegie-Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

MILTON RUSSELL, Professor of Economics and Senior Fellow, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, and Collaborating Scientist, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee

STEPHEN H. SCHNEIDER, Head, Interdisciplinary Climate Systems, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado

EUGENE B. SKOLNIKOFF, Professor of Political Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge

THOMAS H. STIX, Professor, Department of Astrophysics and Plasma Physics Laboratory, Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey

EDITH BROWN WEISS, Professor of Law, Georgetown University, Washington, D.C. (resigned from panel October 1990)

GEORGE F. CARRIER (Chairman), T. Jefferson Coolidge Professor of Applied Mathematics, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts

WILFRIED BRUTSAERT, Professor of Hydrology, Civil and Environmental Engineering, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York

ROBERT D. CESS, Leading Professor, State University of New York, Stony Brook

HERMAN CHERNOFF, Professor of Statistics, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts

ROBERT E. DICKINSON, Professor, Institute of Atmospheric Physics, Department of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Arizona, Tucson

JOHN IMBRIE, H.L. Doherty Professor of Oceanography, Department of Geological Sciences, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island

THOMAS B. KARL, Meteorologist, Climate Research and Applications, National Climate Data Center, Asheville, North Carolina

MICHAEL C. MacCRACKEN, Physicist and Division Leader, Atmospheric and Geophysical Sciences, Lawrence Livermore Laboratory, University of California, Livermore

BERRIEN MOORE, Professor and Director, Institute for the Study of Earth, Oceans, and Space, University of New Hampshire, Durham

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