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host · 12-04-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

It's funny people bring Bush into it, somehow this problem, a 25 year old problem, is his fault. And for that matter, there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that Iran is seeking to get nuclear weapons, it just happens you choose not to except it. I like that people buy into the Ayatollahs Fatwa, a man who supports terrorism, with known operational ties to Hezbollah and Al Qaeda, yeah his fatwas are legit. Then people are saying that the Diplomatic game is Bush's fault, that's cute. Under their last president Khatami, a reformist, we were making a lot of head way, they claim to halted their programs for a substantial period of time under him to work on (I don't buy it), the second Ahmadinejad took office he resumed his programs.

They have been enriching Uranium for 25 years; they claim only recently to have successfully done (for the first time as of April 2006) it to 3.5% a number that is significantly lower than what is necessary for a nuclear weapon. In reality soil samples around Iran were found at much high levels, Iran claims that it was due to contaminated material which they had purchased from Pakistan, or namely Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani scientist who was caught for selling nuclear technology, nuclear materials, and nuclear weaponry outlines to Libya, Iran, and North Korea... Wow, that sure is a jolly old bunch, I wonder what they might be after?

It's funny how people so easily buy into the inconsistencies, rhetoric, and lies, all because of their distaste for one man, who is in no way responsible for this problem. Sort of cute how in November of 2003 Baradei of the IAEA released a report spanning 30 pages which had found Iran has successfully completed the front end of the nuclear fuel cycle being Uranium mining and milling, conversion, enrichement, fuel fabrication, heavy water production, a light water reactor, a heavy water research reactor, as well as various other developmental facilities... all in secret. They happen to forget to disclose the imports of uranium metal, yellow cake, uranium hexaflouride, and depleted uranium, that is conveneient. Or tell how it works out that Iran only recently said they had enriched Uranium as I pointed out above, at very modest levels, yet they were discovered by Division B of the IAEA to have already enriched uranium to extremely high levels in 2003, and the tests suggested that the samples had even been "cleaned" up. It's a fact since the George H. W. Bush administration their have been reports given to congress, stating that Iran had a "continuing interest" in nuclear weaopns and related technology, and that they were in the early stages of a weapons program. In 1982 it was disclosed that Iran had imported 531 meteric tons of yellowcake, that's more then Brazils nuclear reactors produce in a year; ofcourse they didn't disclose that they had been importing materials or enriching until 2003, again the program was at that point 22 years old. <h3>Here are a few examples I pulled from a book I got "Countdown to Crisis" by Kenneth Timmerman, a nobel peace prize nominee.</h3>

It's all good if you don't care about this whole situation, but it's absurd to sit there and make baseless claims that are contrary to reality.

If you're reading Kenneth Timmerman as a "serious source", please consider:

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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18546

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is best-selling investigative reporter Kenneth Timmerman, the author of the new book Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran.

FP: Ken Timmerman, welcome back to Frontpage Interview.

Osama in Iran?
By Jamie Glazov
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, June 24, 2005

.....Timmerman:....At the end of my book, I present a table with the nuclear capabilities the Islamic Republic has now admitted to possessing, and its production facilities for the full gamut of nuclear weapons material, highly-enriched uranium and plutonium.

The real tragedy of this story is that we’ve known about Iran’s nuclear intentions for nearly twenty years, but our “friends” and “allies” have consistently refused to help us to put an end to it...

.....The Israelis have made clear they cannot allow Iran to become a nuclear weapons state. But just how long they are willing to wait – will it be weeks, months, a year – no one knows. We have very little time to get this right.....

FP: Ok, so let’s get to it: Osama in Iran?

Timmerman: One of the recurring themes of Countdown to Crisis is the wilful blindness and incompetence of our intelligence community, especially the CIA. For years,

....My sources have brought me hard evidence, which I detail in the book, not only of the active participation of Iranian intelligence in the September 11 attacks on America, but of the ongoing cooperation between Iran and al Qaeda, <h3>including meetings last November and this March between Osama bin Laden and top regime officials in Iran.</h3>

Simply put, al Qaeda would not exist today as an organized force without the active material support from Iran....

"Simply put", the only thing Timmerman ommited in the above "interview" is that men from the "Islamic Republic" have sexually assaulted some of our mother and sisters, and are plotting to "do" the rest of "our women", if we don't watch out!

Mojo, PLEASE read all of my two prior (see below) posts referencing Timmerman, and William Rivers Pitt's January, 2006 description of Timmerman and the agenda of he and his "colleagues":

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Originally Posted by host

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...47&postcount=9

Ustwo, you seem to at least be standing on the front porch of the dwelling that houses "the answer" that explains (excuses ?) a failed presidency, or you may already know what resides inside. Your questions are apparantly answered by author, journalist, and 2000 Maryland, US senate GOP primary candidate, Kenneth R. Timmerman:
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../10/018662.php
October 4, 2007
Shadow Warriors

For years, we have been writing about the CIA's campaign to undermine the Bush administration--the agency's most successful covert operation in many years. Scott came up with the felicitous phrase Three Years of the Condor for the CIA's secret war. For a long time we felt like voices in the wilderness, but it turns out that some of those who do this for a living were hard at work.

Yesterday, I got in the mail a new book by
Kenneth Timmerman, author of Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran
and other books. <h3>Timmerman's new book is called Shadow Warriors: The Untold Story of Traitors, Saboteurs, and the Party of Surrender.</h3> I haven't had time to read it yet, obviously, but I can't resist quoting the book's beginning:

Some have called it the CIA's greatest covert operation of all time.

It involved deep penetration of a hostile regime by planting a network of agents at key crossroads of power, where they could steal secrets and steer policy by planting disinformation, cooking intelligence, provocation, and outright lies.

It involved sophisticated political sabotage operations, aimed at making regime leaders doubt their own judgment and question the support of their subordinates.

It involved the financing, training, and equipping of effective opposition forces, who could challenge the regime openly and through covert operations.

The scope was breathtaking, say insiders who had personal knowledge of the CIA effort. All the skills learned by the U.S. intelligence community during the fifty years of the Cold War struggle with the Soviet Union were in play, from active measures aimed at planting disinformation through cutouts and an eager media, to maskirovka--strategic deception.

It was war--but an intelligence war, played behind the scenes, aimed at confusing, misleading, and ultimately defeating the enemy. Its goal was nothing less than to topple the regime in power, by discrediting its rulers.

Many Americans believe this was the CIA's goal during the 1990s, when the Agency had "boots on the ground" in northern Iraq, working with Iraqi opponents of Saddam Hussein. Most patriotic Americans probably hope that the CIA today has such an operation to overthrow the mullahs in Tehran, or North Korean dictator Kim John Il.

<h3>But the target of this vast, sophisticated CIA operation was none of them.

It was America's 43rd President, George W. Bush.</h3>

Timmerman is a militant, zionist, neocon, extremely partisan conservative propagandist who has literally "set the stage" for an unnecessary and unjustified US military "pre-emption" against Iran. He is at war with the US intelligence community and anyone who doesn't subscribed to his empty, paranoid, militant views, as the title and content of his latest book clearly indicates. <h3>What is with you guys....you seem intensely and unreasonably extreme in your views about Iran and about the "Islamic threat"; after all...it is now "official" that the threat from Iran was as hyped as the threat from Iraq was.</h3>
Tiimmerman is viewed as legitimate...."mainstream" in the sphere of influence you allow into your thinking....so is "Powerline Blog" Time's 2004 <a href="http://www.time.com/time/press_releases/article/0,8599,1009851,00.html">BLOG OF THE YEAR!</a> Sheesh!! I don't know if your opinions and the influences on them that you embrace is the scariest thing about all of this, or the fact that you support the US military killing huge numbers of people and your reasons for doing it are so flawed.

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Originally Posted by <a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?p=2055232">host</a>

The Hidden Influence of JINSA and CSP on Conservative Opinion

05-01-2006

Have you ever heard of JINSA or CSP ? I hadn't either....until yesterday. I am relieved to find that I share very little of their agenda. How much has JINSA and CSP agenda...and their members, influenced your thinking? Did you know of their influence? Is their agenda consistant with what is in the best interest of the American people? Do JINSA and CSP members have too much influence on the Bush administration, or on you?

What would influence moderate leaning, middle eastern governments to align themselves, or even trust the U.S...besides...fear?

I posted about this here, on the "Do You Think Iran is Developing Nuclear Weapons ?" thread.....

....The core point of all of this is that <h3>supporters of the Bush administration should be aware that they rely heavily on the writing of folks like Kenneth Timmerman, who may not have an agenda that seperates Israeli interests from American interests.</h3> Timmerman featured an endorsement from Dr. Stephen Bryen, on his Timmerman2000.com website:
http://web.archive.org/web/200011190...dorsements.htm

Are you comfortable embracing, it appears to be exclusively, a closed, one sided agenda, more influenced by a conservative, Israeli faction, than you may have known about, up until now?

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http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artm...w.cgi/48/17144
Democrats: Get Up and Walk Out
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

<h2>Sunday 22 January 2006</h2>

MEMO
To: Congressional Democrats
From: William Rivers Pitt
RE: A bold maneuver

.... In all likelihood, however, the White House won't even need to derail the Abramoff investigation to save Republicans from their ridiculous greed. Did you see the Washington Post headline from Friday? It read, "Rove: GOP to Use Terror as Campaign Issue." In reality, the headline should have read "GOP to Use Terror as Campaign Tactic." Once again, the Republicans are going to try to win midterm elections by scaring the hell out of the American people. This time, the fear factor will center around Iran and nuclear weapons.

The intelligence specialists in the United States, Germany and Israel all agree that Iran is between three and five years away from being able to manufacture nuclear weapons. This, of course, is based on the premise that such manufacture is Iran's goal. Take it as a given that it is, and we have at least three years to use diplomacy, economic pressures and possibly sanctions to keep them from creating these bombs.

But "three to five years" isn't going to help the GOP win the midterm elections. <h3>They need things to be scary, and they need things to be scary now. The same right-wing groups that ginned up the fantasy that Iraq was laden with weapons of mass destruction, and was an imminent threat, are now at work building up a martial froth about Iran. They did this in time for the midterms last time, and are preparing to do it again.

United Press International carried a story last Thursday about a group called the Foundation for Democracy in Iran. This group, according to the UPI story, claims that, "Tehran is planning a nuclear weapons test before the Iranian New Year on March 20, 2006." FDI, according to the story, offered absolutely no proof to back this claim.</h3> But that's not three to five years. That's less than ten weeks. Scary stuff, right?

Take a closer look, however, and you can see the fingerprints of the architects of our current Iraq boondoggle all over this. <h3>The Foundation for Democracy in Iran is run by a man named Kenneth Timmerman.</h3> Timmerman is umbilically connected to the godfather of right-wing think tanks, the American Enterprise Institute. It was the American Enterprise Institute that spawned the Project for the New American Century, the think tank that gave us Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, the original noise about Iraqi WMD, and the idea that a military takeover of the entire Mideast is a bully idea. The same people that terrorized the American people into unnecessary war in Iraq are preparing to do the same with Iran, and all in time for the midterms.

One must also note the irony of the suggested date for this Iranian nuclear test. March 20, 2006, for those not paying attention, is the three-year anniversary of our invasion of Iraq. And round and round we go.

You've been outflanked, Democrats. Abramoff won't help you, and the noise machine is preparing to terrorize the American people into such a distracted state that anything you say in the next ten months will be lost amid the howling. The midterms are pretty much a done deal, and your continued marginalization will proceed at speed.

You can stomp your feet and yell at the wall. You can put your head in your hands and weep. You can sit silently and be simply satisfied that your own job-for-life is secure, thanks to your friendly district back home, and be damned to actually doing anything of substance. In other words, you can continue to do what you've been doing since this outrageous assault on basic American democracy began.

Or you can stand up.

It takes a spine to stand up. Find yours. Get up and walk out of the State of the Union speech. Turn your backs on the blizzard of lies and empty promises that are sure to pour forth from that podium. Give it exactly what it deserves.....