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Originally Posted by ironman
I love the idea of questioning every aspect of human conduct and the reasons why we create laws and norms, it's the only way to evolve and grow as a race I firmly believe. With that in mind, and seeing how many people has raised the consent issue, a few years ago, Chilean writer Isabel Allende in an interview confessed that she willfully seduced an adult fisherman when she was only 4 or 5 years old, she freely and willfully consented as many other kids do on a daily basis with other minors or even adults. As I mentioned it in another thread about a father and daughter that had married each other, social uses and rules depend greatly on the times that are been lived and I believe this is not different with kids, I mean, we have no problem judging minors as adults for the gravity of their crimes, but when it comes to sex we can't accept that a kid can consent? It seems kind of contradictory to me.
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Seduced at age 4 or 5 eh? Ummm I'm going to call shenanigans on that. I confess that at age 4 I could fly and met Jesus.
Go talk to some 4 year olds for a bit and see what you think.
In a crime the child is causing harm to others and if tried as an adult it would be they knew they were causing harm to others. Sex on the other hand is normally done unto them by adults. They are the victims in that case even if willing as they don't have a clue what they are consenting to do.
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Originally Posted by Halx
ironman, that's a great observation. Through all of this, I see the same point blank reaction: kids can't consent. Well, that was the same idea they had a few hundred years ago when they said women had no sexual drive. It's a little far out to propose that kids can consent, but I don't think its too much to ask people to consider that IF a child is informed at an early age about sex, they will in turn be able to consent or decline. Then where does the morality lie?
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Kids can't sign contracts before they are 18 either. The reason being that kids, even smart ones, are idiots.
I could teach my daughter all about sex, and have her consent to give me a blow job, after all who is going to say no to daddy at say age 7.
Woopy do, she will also believe in Santa Claus too.
The morality is you are taking advantage of someone who doesn't even really understand the ramifications of their actions at a stage in their life where pleasing and trusting adults is part of their very make up.
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Originally Posted by ring
I agree with your point about defenseless children, yet I am in disagreement,
or rather confused about your statement regarding fertility, hormones
being the defining factor of sexuality.
Your definition, or contrast perhaps, of perversion and being 'Wrong' is something I would like to understand better.
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What makes someone sexual? Is it their genitals? No, its their hormones and then how they affect those genitals.
For annoying example. My wife is breast feeding, this in most women changes her hormone levels and turns off her sex drive. She has absolutely no desire for sex or sexual pleasure, because her hormones are saying 'not now'. Once she stops, her hormones will change back and she will be the horny wife again.
Sex is chemical not mystical, without the right chemicals you are not sexual any more than a car is a vehicle without gasoline.
I'd also add in children the sex hormones change the genitals as well, so what you have in a child is immature genitals without sex hormones. If anything this should be the definition of a child.