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Originally Posted by Augi
"The faith comes in when you attempt to apply the things you have directly observed to the things you have not."
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While I would never say it is faith... as an engineering student I realize I base all my work on the assumptions that equations I have and have proved are all based on observations I agree are on how the universe works.
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Well, as an engineering student myself, the further i progress the more i come to the realization that there is a lot of stuff we don't know, a lot of stuff we can't know, and that there is a lot of stuff which is presented as fact, which is actually just the current consensus amongst the folks who are supposed to know what they're talking about. When it comes down to it, for most engineering purposes, and i guess for science in general, what is actually happening isn't all that relevant as long as models correctly predict reality.
It is really a question of how far you want to go when stressing the omniscience of scientific knowledge. It is one thing to claim that the models accurately reflect reality as far as we know and leave it at that. It is another thing entirely, and in my mind a mistake, to claim that the models are reality.
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I think my "faith" it cannot be classified as faith like in the religious sense as I have observable instances. Religious faith has no proof or observable instances. There are no words directly from God, only a bunch of books (... 66 books) spanning ... quite a while. These are books written by man supposedly all about the same God. I'll trust in the universe (that maybe some one made) before I trust in the words of men (that maybe some one intended to make). I have faith in the idea that the universe cannot tell lies, we only hear it wrong.
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I agree with you here. Except that i think that there are probably a lot more books that a theist could use to learn about god, and that a lot of these books are science books.