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Old 11-27-2007, 09:54 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Hot damn, the race card always kills every death penalty theory debate. I'm trying to step outside the race box here.

Reality? Fuck no. Debate? Yes.

Regardless of skin color... are any of these offenses acceptable? Somebody was murdered, somebody was raped, some cop didn't go home to his family, etc.

This so isn't going to work, isn't it? *gets plowed over by racism*

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Don't patronize me with discussions of narcissism and humility. That's just silly.

I'd like to think the center of logic for this argument was based on the fact that society is so cushy with "everybody should be alive regardless of their trespasses" instead of "you fucked up, son - defend your right to be alive, prove you have social worth." Let's say we're operating under notion that we're all pretty much expendable. The lowest level that evolution occurs is population and thus the individual doesn't really mean squat in the big picture.

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I acknowledge that I am no better than the next guy. Our country is based on such a concept of equality (despite reality). Our legal system is represented by "Lady Justice." I won't post a picture to insult your intellect as to the symbols involved there and how our racist country and legal system needs a lot of work (to say the least).

I acknowledge that I am no better than the next guy... except I won't put myself in situations where I will murder anybody and I sure-as-socks won't rape anybody. I am talking of serious crimes from sick individuals that don't have a skin color.

In practice? We're not doing so good. In theory? We're not doing so good. This isn't shocking to me. I'm well aware of the current issues.

I like the general deterrence the death penalty provides for severe crimes.

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Let's say, for the sake of dreamy-What-If-arguments, that we can trust the State and race isn't an issue. Har-har, I know. How does keeping these people alive do anything for society?

What would you suggest we do with them? Ship them to Australia? Have them pick up trash on the roadside for the rest of their lives? Bankrupt our already bankrupt country keeping them incarcerated indefinitely? Perhaps let them go free after 10 years of being pissed and becoming more maladjusted to society? Recidivism is a huge factor for felons. How about we claim that they just need rehabilitation after committing grisly murders or heinous rapes?

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There is a balance on those scales. Perspective is what changes the integers.

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Hell, I'd have sex with Angela Lansbury and send myself to the electric chair tomorrow if I could get rid of racism.

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Originally Posted by roachboy
just makes it more surreal. copy it lots of times for yourself. it becomes more and more what it is.
Yeah, I'll say it a few more times for those of us who got deployed and came back in a box. Makes about as much sense.

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We're all so wise and so civilized.
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