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Originally Posted by host
Why is your question even relevant, if we're talking about justice in the context of a system of law? The abuses of the system are there. For every question designed to conjure up emotion based arguments, there is the reality of the unfairness and abuse of the justice system's responsibility for investigating, prosecuting and bringing justice to the guilty:
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A few reasons: One, this isn’t about sitting on a jury; or at least IMO. The question “what do we do with these animals?” Is general enough to look at the issue from various angles. Two, it was as you observed, a question- not a statement. I was trying to be as respectful as possible in asking it, I was interested to know how many if any would have a POSSIBLE emotion bias that would influence their decision. In this setting it seems an effective way to process different views, by asking- there was nothing sinister intended. Three, law is obviously important, and being impartial, neutral, and personally detached is necessary when the time comes, but the bottom line is we are not Vulcans here.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Ah, but if you compare the success rate of rehabilitation under psychiatric care to the success rate of rehabilitation in an electric chair, things become clear.
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What are you classifying as success? Yes I do agree there is a problem with the entire mental health field in general. In terms of mental illness, any case of rehabilitation (that being defined as they are independent with federal financial assistance, and more importantly they do not repeat a criminal act) is an accomplishment. The other side is prison in general. Are prisons meant to rehab people, a place where they will pay for their crimes with time, a place to put dangerous people to they don’t hurt anyone else, or a combination of all three? If rehab is part of a prison’s goal I would view one failure (a criminal is released and murders another innocent person) a complete injustice.
As you pointed out I do have emotion tied to my view on the issue. I agree and admit this is a sensitive area for me. When I was in health care I remember working on a pediatric ICU for five months. I saw so many victims of child abuse that it began to have a negative impact resulting in my elected departure. I gained the insight that it was becoming increasingly difficult to carry a professional demeanor when I met the parents of the children they beat when in an inch of life. I knew that it was a weak area for so I chose to not be in that environment. This is probable the same for me.
It is very difficult for me see justice in granting someone another chance when the have committed a malicious crime eligible enough for current capital punishment sentences. I have not found statistics on situations like what viewers saw in the movie “The Shawshank Redemption” where the character Red stated he knew it was a stupid act in committing murder- thus contributed to him getting released.
Thanks for sharing mixed media.
I pose another question to those against capital punishment, is there any situation at all where you would see it as justice?