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Originally Posted by pan6467
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Host..... I like ya man. But how the HELL can you compare this or turn this incident into a crusade against Texas.
I don't care if it happened there, Ohio, Cali... England, Sweden etc. There is no "we must prove ourselves better than the animals that tortured a 2 yr old."
We prove that by giving them a quick painless death, something they did not do to this 2 year old.
I am not (and I even stated this in the OP) advocating the death penalty in all cases... but this case and cases like it, blind justice and hate take over.
A 2 year old...... a fucking 2 year old and they did that and people would have those animals live?..... wtf is wrong with people?
I'm sorry but this is just wow........ I'll step away until I can become less emotional and can think more clearly.
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I know that you are angry, pan, but you are advocating the granting, BY THE PEOPLE, the continuation of authority to execute, to deficient, corrupt authority, and that is more grievous a consequence of the murderous, torturous actions of the depraved animals who you are rightly railing against, because it has broader implications and continues the risk of unequal justice, which is no justice, and of the execution of the innocent, with such pathetically lacking checks and balances, and such pathetically lacking concern by "responsible authority".
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=2
The Process
Smoother Path To Death Chamber
In the 23 years since the Supreme Court allowed reinstatement of capital punishment, states have executed 598 people, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Texas, which uses lethal injection, has accounted for 199. Virginia is next with 73 and then Florida with 44.
The rate of executions in Texas has increased since Mr. Bush took office, for several reasons. A handful of Supreme Court rulings began to curb appeals and break the backlog on death row. In 1996, President Clinton signed a federal law further streamlining the appeals process while a year earlier, Mr. Bush signed a similar state law, which some lawmakers described as the ''speed up the juice'' law. This law did require the state, for the first time, to pay for lawyers appealing convictions of indigent people in capital cases.
Texas' governor, unlike those in some other states, is limited in granting clemency. The 18-member Board of Pardons and Paroles approves or denies all clemency applications, and the governor can grant clemency only if the board recommends it. Otherwise, he must either approve the execution or grant a 30-day stay. But the governor does appoint the parole board and set a tone.
''Bush has maintained a relatively removed posture,'' said Jim Mattox, a former attorney general of Texas and a Democrat. ''The paroles board stands between him and the process, but there's no doubt if the governor tells the paroles board what he wants done, they do it.''
Mr. Bush's first general counsel, Al Gonzales, said his legal staff assessed each death penalty case to brief the governor. Then, as now, Mr. Bush had two criteria for considering clemency: Is there any doubt about guilt? Has the inmate had full access to the courts?
Some inmates did not seek clemency, and their briefings might take only 15 minutes. Usually, Mr. Gonzales said, they took half an hour. Mr. Bush has been out of state for 16 executions over the past five years, and the highest-ranking state official presided, with the governor's approval.
''It's difficult to say those kinds of things were routine, but we had become quite efficient,'' said Mr. Gonzales, now a State Supreme Court justice. ''Many of them were pretty cut and dried.''
Mr. Bush campaigned as a law-and-order conservative, and he has called the death penalty a deterrent to crime. He has often said the rights of the victims should also be remembered, and his stance has brought him praise from the relatives of many victims.
The governor's first year in office ended with a record 19 executions, more than a third of the national total. The number dropped to 3 in 1996 because of a lawsuit challenging the Texas system. In 1997, after the challenge failed, the death chamber in Huntsville established the current yearly record of 37. Executions became so common that the public and much of the news media ceased to pay much attention.....
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Your're hot with rage, pan, and your understandably affected by one horrible
case of torture/murder against the most innocent....young chidren.
However, you know that the criminals detailed in the preceding NY Times article, and their cronies still running Texas politics are no more qualified to be the "checks and balances" of Texas "justice", anymore than you, at this moment, would be qualified to be the defense attorney for the murderers of the two innocent little girls....
It comes down to who is qualified to decide who lives and who dies, in our society. It isn't politicians, or the people who they appoint.
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...=&pagewanted=4
....The Dallas Morning News, the state's leading newspaper, noted that the clemency process was shrouded in secrecy. The 18-member paroles board did not meet to discuss applications. Instead, members reviewed cases separately and faxed in their votes from across the state. The board operated without guidelines and offered no explanation for its decisions.
Early last year, Judge Sam Sparks of Federal District Court in Austin found that the Texas clemency system met the ''minimal procedural safeguards'' required by the United States Supreme Court. But in his opinion, Judge Sparks criticized the process, writing:
''It is abundantly clear the Texas clemency procedure is extremely poor and certainly minimal. Legislatively, there is a dearth of meaningful procedure. Administratively, the goal is more to protect the secrecy and autonomy of the system rather than carrying out an efficient legally sound system. The board would not have to sacrifice its conservative ideology to carry out its duties in a more fair and accurate fashion.''
Before the 1999 legislative session, State Representative Elliott Naishstat, an Austin Democrat, filed two bills that would have required the paroles board to consider clemency appeals in public meetings and to consider issues like rehabilitation.
In an interview with The Austin American-Statesman, however, Mr. Bush said, ''It's going to have to take an awfully compelling argument for me to support the change.''
Public clemency meetings, he warned, might create ''a chance for people to rant and rail, a chance for people to emotionalize the process beyond the questions that need to be asked.''
Both Naishstat bills died in the legislative session. ''The governor's office did not want the clemency procedure in Texas changed,'' Mr. Naishstat said in a recent interview. ....
.....Unlike some other states, Texas does not have a statewide public defender system; normally, elected judges in each county appoint lawyers, including campaign contributors, to represent poor defendants.
Mr. Bush vetoed the Ellis bill. He said that it would not improve legal counsel for the poor and that the 20-day limit could allow someone to be released from jail improperly .
A few months later, a Houston Chronicle investigation found that defendants with appointed lawyers in Harris County, which includes Houston, were twice as likely to go to jail as those who could afford to hire lawyers.
Harris County also has more inmates on death row than any other Texas county.
In October, a federal district judge set aside a death sentence against Calvin Jerold Burdine because his lawyer slept throughout much of the trial, in Harris County. ....
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