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Originally Posted by pan6467
But you would have people move because you refuse to allow religion to be discussed and taught in school?
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Move? You act as if there's not a church on every corner. They are everywhere. Unless you're not Christian (or less than 20% of the population), you're set. If you're not Christian, you're probably living near your mosque/synagogue/etc. anyway.
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Ok, but for some religion isn't just history. Knowing the history of each religion can bring forth better understanding and would be part of the "one week" religious class", I proposed. (And yes it maybe actually 2 or 3 week courses).
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If it's an elective and it's totally 100% neutral, there is still a very serious chance that you've going to have problems. You know how insane some people get when their kids are exposed to other religions. I mean I'm sure you've heard about the French schools and burkas. And that was in uber-liberal, socialist France, not the United States of Jesus.
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What part of religion were you taught in school? What part is acceptable to you?
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I learned about Christianity in Rome, the Dark Ages, Crusades, Diet of Worms, Reformation, settlement of the East Coast of North America, witch trials, the Vatican, etc. I leaned history.
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Where have I ever said that I supported in anyway
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I don't believe there should be publicly accredited private elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, or colleges that are religious. I suspect that you disagree. Knowing about god shouldn't be a part of getting any kind of scholastic diploma. Again, church is there to teach about religion, school is there to teach about everything else.
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How is a school teaching all major religions as being a theocracy, or putting God in an administrative role at the school?
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Would you also want astrology? How about holistic medicine? It's hardly a slippery slope as allowing religion into public schools is leading to the teaching of mythology in science classrooms. That's prevalence makes it a real life concern.
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Again, the teacher doesn't tell you who to pray to or that you have to, just allows you the opportunity to if you so desire. Atheists got rid of even "the moment of silence" because it still promoted religion.... even though it promoted no religion and was considered voluntary. I call that extreme.
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Kids can silently pray at recess or lunch. No one stops them from doing that. Setting aside time for structured learning of facts to have prayer time, which is what it's usually called, is taking away from education to allow for superstition. No one is stopping anyone from doing what they will on their own time, but school is about learning facts.
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Yes, it does. I offered a true compromise... a way for children to understand and learn about others beliefs, you aren't even willing to do that. Again it is bow down to YOUR beliefs but don't even try to get someone else's in there.... You are deciding what the compromise or lack thereof will be. To you it is a subject as closed as your mind.
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True compromise? Like having kids learn about how Jesus died on the cross and then letting them go next door to math class? That teaches them that Jesus is just as viable and reliable as math. Besides, atheism isn't even a belief. Atheism is zero sum. It's a lack. A lack of belief is not belief. A lack of belief is not belief.
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Then what is.... "My beliefs will be taught, there will be no compromise. If the majority vote for it we will strike it down. We determine what can be taught in school. We regulate what can be done on school property (school kids can't gather to say prayer after or before games.... sound familiar?).... We determine what is in the best interest of the country. We determine that our belief in "nothingness" or however you wish to phrase it is far more important than kids learning different cultures, different religions, etc.
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If schools were taught with my exact philosophy, then the teachers would tell the children that religion is a product of groupthink with the occasional delusion. Is that taught? Absolutely not, because that would be putting church and state together. The middle ground is allowing each child to learn about their god or god in a church, where it belongs.
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That is extreme pushing your beliefs on me is extreme.
I didn't attack you for your belief.... I never even looked in this thread before you took 1 sentence out of a post and made an issue of it.
So who is the extremist?
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Who is the extremist? The person who wants my children to learn about Vishnu because they don't get that school is supposed to be neutral.
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I'm sure that was your attempt at a joke, but AA stands or American Atheists. How the hell is it that I, a non-atheist, happens to know more about the largest atheist organization in North America than you, the atheist, do. Same goes for sprocket.
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And the NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored people... do obviously not being white is a religion. Besides, how many AA churches have you driven by? Have you ever had an atheist knock on your door to read from ATHEIOS NECRONOMICON, THE HOLY WORD OF ATHEOS! Do we even have any kind of coherant text or organization? Of course no.
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I didn't make the statement; You did. I was simply agree'ing with it. Can't get mad over something you said, can you?
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I said that atheists as a whole do not have one solid moral code that they all stick to. Like, oh I dunno, two big tablets? We are all moral, but it's because we are allowed to freely develop morality on our own.
Suggesting atheists are immoral absolutely is bigotry, and you were clear in what you said. I expect an apology, or I expect you to defend every sin that a Christian has ever committed.
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I'm pretty sure I've had this conversation before, but nevertheless... I ask because, many times, people love to use fundamentalism as a pejorative term in order to describe a portion of theism whilst ignoring that fundamentalism doesn't refer exclusively to theism. Did you know that we've had-- And are still currently undergoing-- Periods in which you atheistic fundamentalism? Yeah... I'm sure you did
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There's no such thing as atheistic fundamentalism. It's a contradiction in terms, as I demonstrated.
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That'd make you something then. You're labeled for what you are, not what you're not.
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It's funny a Christian isn't familiar with the word "Gentile". Go ahead. Look it up. Now, look up atheist. Then come back and admit you don't know what "atheist" means.