It seems that the conversation here seems to keep looping. (somewhat indicative of the topic, stance, and ironic coupling)
What I am noticing, if at all, is that, you, Shauk, are trying to convey the point that rap MUSIC, the underlying beats and rhythm, without all that jazz and flow and lyrics, in essence strictly the instrumentals alone, is simply no good to your musical perception of what your definition of music happens to be. Is this the overall message you are putting forth? Yes, I see why you are receving the tangential responses you are getting, but as in every genre or of music, there are set standards that classify such stemmings. Rock has roots, as does classical, and electronica, blues, latin, and every other form must have some essential requirements to define its overall musical inclination and sound.
The topic here, "Rap", is simple to define if generalized, as you would have it: Rhythm & Poetry.
Without the latter, all you have is the "R". Unfair it is to uncouple the pair, but the instrumentals to rap can be quite extraordinary if you care to seek out the intracacies. Some would say the actual form of the synced lyrical content of the spoken delivery would be the centerpoint, but without a relevant and smooth beat to accompany, the entire form can fall flat.
If you are willing to expand your mind, you must try to see the artform in the way it was intended, as any other genre would have it done that way as well; complete. If not, I suppose I could compilate a replete list of rap instrumentals that may have you rethink your stance of "simplicity sucks; therefore, rap sucks" (or at least the sounds in the background of the song suck, and not the artist talking does).
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