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Old 11-26-2007, 12:26 PM   #51 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
Would be interesting to see, with people trying as much as possible not to argue the case, and simply state their position

1 - do you support the right for gay couples to legally marry?
2 - do you support the death penalty?
3 - do you believe that freedom of speech should be absolute, or are their some limits on what people should be allowed to say?
4 - do you believe that part of the role of taxation is to redistribute resources more equally?
5 - do you believe that people should be forced to learn the official language of a nation if they want to emmigrate to it?
6 - do you believe that prayer should be prohibited from schools?
For What It's Worth:

1. Yes, what people do behind in the privacy of their bedrooms is between them. And yes, the "spouses" should have just as many legal rights, benefits as the traditional marriage. Do we need laws to permit same sex marriages? Not necessarily, provided legal rights, benefits and recognition of partners are observed.

2. I support the death penalty, I also believe if a man is sent to death row and wishes to die, his life should be taken immediately with no waiting for appeals and so on. Save taxpayers money.

3. I believe in total free speech provided it does not incite riots or disturbances of the peace. If I go into a minority area and start shouting prejudiced language, I should get the beating I deserve for being ignorant, but I also believe I should be fined for disturbing the peace. Chances are if I hadn't been yelling the epithets I wouldn't have been attacked.

In other words, I think there are decency limits we must follow and that we must be willing to accept responsibility for our actions/words.

4. I believe taxation should be distributed to help others move upward. This is done through giving Small Business Loans, Education subsidies and controls on public university tuitions, classes and retraining for displaced workers, economic development for urban slum areas, and help for those disabled. But do I agree with welfare, spending money on those fully capable of working but know how to work the system, etc? HELL NO. I see too many of my clients on disability because they had good lawyers and it is pathetic to know my tax dollars go toward them using drugs instead of working and trying to improve themselves.

5. Absolutely, if you are an immigrant you should not only speak the language but know the laws and immigrate LEGALLY. If you try illegally and get caught, you get deported back the first time.... the second time mandatory 5 years imprisonment.... NO country can afford illegal immigrants and our nation's leaders are pandering solely to a voting block by trying to make it acceptable. IT is a drain on our economy in many ways and is unnecessary.

6. Prayer in school should never be banned. It is a right to free speech. The only caveat here is sponsored religion. Schools should allow for prayer and in the process teach all the major religions equally and without prejudice, perhaps even have local leaders of the respective religions come in and have a one week class or so. I believe by doing this we promote acceptance of others beliefs and even possibly understanding why a certain religion believes a certain way. Of course the classes would be by choice, if the parents are absolutely against a certain religion, the kids sit out of that week's classes and have a study hall. (When I went to school, the school, had a program much like this and it worked very well.)


My question to those opposing this idea is what do you have to hide? Your kids will learn of those religions one way or another. Why promote ignorance and hatred.

As for atheists..... it is still a religion, it is a spiritual belief in nothing. Do not push your beliefs upon me nor call my religion names. ALL beliefs are equal and need to be taught. By telling my children they cannot pray or have religion classes is a push for YOUR own spiritual/religious beliefs and that is supposedly what you are fighting against.... right? (I state this because it was because of an Atheist that prayer and religion started being banned.)
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