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Originally Posted by aberkok
Will...when we try to define music beyond what the dictionary says, we enter completely subjective territory,
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No, the dictionary is actually very specific, not subjective at all. I'm trying to head away from subjective because, just like I said above, there are people out there that litterally think that any sound or even possibly silence constitutes music. It's in that subjectivity that the word music losses all meaning. I'm not interested in music losing meaning, thus my position that spoken word isn't music.
Maybe I should put it this way. Who is called a 'rapper', the one that rhymes or the pasty white guy in the studio that puts together the beats and melody?
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Originally Posted by aberkok
so basically, stop trying to define music.
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Someone has to.
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Originally Posted by aberkok
Even by very strict definitions, music does not require melody - what about solo drum repertoire?
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I'm not a very good percussionist when it comes to a set, but correct me if I'm wrong: drums have different tones. These tones, when combined with beat and often measure, surely constitute music. Even by the most strict definition.