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Originally posted by Kadath
I am exhausted being tagteamed by you two. Where is the ref?
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*huggles*
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Originally posted by Kadath
What kind of choice is there between working Mickey D's for $5.25 an hour versus making two grand a week tax-free selling drugs? A person flat out cannot live on minimum wage. 10K a year is not going to fly. So they get two minimum wage jobs, assuming they can. Ooh, 20K. Now they're rolling in it.
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I did for a year at 17 years old as an intern programmer at a local ISP. I started at minimum wage and after "proving myself" got a 200% raise, which was still a crap salary according to you. I had no college degree and no solid programming experience so I had to make sacrifices in order to get said experience. No car, no fancy new clothes, no dinner at restaurants every night, but I got a foot in the door and my next job was the most pleasurable work experience yet.
Now, if you want to discuss college expenses / scholarships on another thread, I'd be glad to, but it is a separate issue. Locally, at least, there is a community college that has night classes and classes on Saturday for those who work full-time during the week. It would take longer than going to school full-time of course, but it would be possible to get an education on Saturday while working two jobs.
As for public assistance, I am not against it to some degree, on a locally (state)-sponsored level. The problem that I have is with welfare-families who have lived for generations off of the system, and have more and more children in order to increase their benefits. Abuse of the system needs to be dealt with, and it currently isn't (in Minnesota at least).
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Originally posted by smooth So Kadath shouldn't have used the word "force"; is that the point you are both trying to make?
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It is an important distinction. Claiming that someone is "forced" into one thing because the other will be challenging, is flawed yet seems to be the Democratic stance on many things. Pointing out the difference between force and conscious wrong-doing is important, imo.