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Old 11-20-2007, 07:36 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Martian
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This is so absurd, I literally cannot come up with a reply. I don't even know where to start.

Is your argument, then, that because some hypotheses have been proven invalid or inaccurate in the past, that we should accept new ones with absolutely no evidence to back them up, because they're what people want to believe? Well, if that's the case, then to hell what people think! The Easter bunny exists, dammit! I can't prove it, but I know in my heart that it's true!

God has no place in this discussion and evidence has no place in a discussion of God. Religion is based on faith. People who follow Christian dogma pride themselves on the fact that they hold to their beliefs without any proof (that being the very definition of faith). When it comes to supposedly real and observable phenomena, however, we're not just in a different league, we're in a whole other sport.

Yes, occasionally we come up with models that better describe observed phenomena. This is where we get a progression from, say, Newtonian physics to quantum physics. However, this still has no bearing on the discussion. I could walk you through the scientific method (since, based on the above post, your grasp of it seems to be tenuous at best) but that's not relevant to the current debate either. Science is the process of explaining the world around us; designing and testing hypothoses to explain observed events. Before we can design and test hypothoses to explain paranormal phenomena like ESP, they need to be observed first. Observed doesn't mean that your cousin Jed saw some guy bend a spoon with the power of his mind once; such things can be and very often are faked very convincingly. Therefore, observed means the phenomenon must be demonstrable and repeatable in a controlled environment. To date, there have been a huge number of people who have claimed to be able to accomplish this; yet the JREF's prize money still hasn't been spoken for. Nobody has been able to back it up. One study out of more than I'd care to count has shown results that indicate there may be something to such phenomena, and that single one was shown to be flawed in design.

So, once more for emphasis. Before we worry about how or why something works, we need to see that it works at all. Give me one single shred of conclusive evidence behind psychic abilities and I will forever concede the point; until then, all the rest is just so much semantics and feel-good rationalizing bullshit.

Psychic powers do not exist.
I can see your grasp of condescending remarks is quite well rounded. You certainly have a long way to fall from the lofty throne you sit upon.

My comment about your condescending Easter Bunny post was indeed valid. As previously stated, I see this in every thread where scientific proof is lacking, making it more than valid. Whether you compare God to the Easter Bunny, or ESP to Santa Claus its still the exact same thing. A ridiculous and absurd comparison, with no basis in fact. Its the way you make yourself feel superior, much like your (since, based on the above post, your grasp of it seems to be tenuous at best) comment. Childish at best. Then you cant seem to spell hypothesis, and throw around some more big words, basically saying nothing at all. I see no valid argument whatsoever.

It was once assumed that communication through invisible waves traveling through the air was impossible. Now we realize that although radio & microwaves are invisible, communication is possible with them. Hey we can even use light now......I'm certain this was all "magical" & "mysterious" in the day, the stuff of science fiction. Yet some "open minded" individuals decided to endure the ridicule and move science forward...as often happens.

The scientific truths of today are often obsolete tomorrow....
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