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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Oh god not this shit again.
Try Fox vrs CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC 
We won't even get to web site bullshit like moveon <h3>or the even more insane daily KOS.</h3>
I don't care about fringe bias, sites like littlegreenfootballs don't pretend to be 'neutral' any more than moveon. Its the 'main stream' media pretending to be neutral that is the real concern.
You turn on Rush Limbaugh you know you are getting a conservative, he puts it all over his web site, you turn on our old buddy Dan Rather, and you get a raging liberal pretending to be a neutral media source. |
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...21&postcount=6
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I'm guessing that in his world view, the article is just so off base its wrongness should speak for itself? This is really why I stopped reading his threads so long ago, there is such a disconnect between the articles and what he says they say, or support. <h3> I am assuming he gets this stuff from a KOS like web site or the like.</h3>
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Correct me if you disagree,and can post a fact based argument.
I post on, and read other posts on a grassroots driven political website forum. My political POV is very close to what polls confirm is aligned with a majority view on the major issues of our day....
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh.htm
the Iraq war, the job effectiveness of Bush and Cheney and their credibility. On abortion, Social Security, progressive income tax, inheritance tax, health insurance reform, I seem to share the majority view, and you can throw in global warming, too.
On protecting the government from religious encroachment, yup, I'm there.
Now, let's look at what you've posted,and what you've overlooked about this thread's subject, and your own politics and the folks aligned with your political POV......in contrast to mine, your views seem amazingly similar to those of wealthy CNP members who have purchased the opposite of a grassroots driven political agenda, hence the partisanization of the DOJ voting enforcement division:
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YouTube - Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote ...
Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co ...
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Ustwo, .... I AM dailykos.com:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/23/83421/6520
Yup, it's me, that "host", posting "over there", too, just as I do here. It's a "forum", Ustwo, 'ceptin fer "the stuff" MarKos, and a few other "extreme left" participants who I suspect he gives "mod level" site privileges to, post.
More than 99 percent of what displays on the dailykos.com pages is provided by otherwise ordinary members of the public. I've never had a private exchange with anyone on that site (I have on this one, though...), "we" don't meet to "fix" or co-ordinate an "agenda". If you read the reaction to my post at "kos" accessed at the preceding link, you'll quickly see, I got a "reception" very similar to the one I get when I post here....
Why don't you register and then post at dailykos.com , Ustwo? You get to set the agenda there, at least once a day. They don't permit you to post a diary the same day that you register, and they limit initiation of new topics to one per day, but there is no limit on the replies you can post in reaction to the topics posted by others.
<h3>What is your actual objection, Ustwo? Dailykos.com is a grassroots driven forum, just as this is.</h3> I happen to be one of thousands of blades of grass who together provide the content there, and the "agenda".
<h3>Who are YOUR "reasonable". "troop luvin", "terrorist fightin", "patriotic 'Murkins", Ustwo? Are they Bush or Cheney, or Weyrich, Epperson, Altzinger, or maybe the "gang" of bloggers/talk radio pundits, featured on Salem Radio and their townhall.com website. Maybe it;s the three guys above and their militantly partisan compadres at the Council for National Policy. So you embrace the agenda of a group of "extreme right", evangelical billionaire, CNP members, Ustwo....are they a "grssroots movement", from your POV?</h3>
I suspect you view "Kos" as a mirror opposite of this:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townhall.com
Townhall.com
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Townhall.com is a web-based publication primarily dedicated to conservative United States politics. It was previously operated by the Heritage Foundation, but is now owned and operated by Salem Communications. Townhall.com, which publishes daily, features more than 80 columns (both syndicated and exclusive) by writers such as Neal Boortz, William F. Buckley Jr., Ann Coulter, Larry Elder, Jonah Goldberg, Rebecca Hagelin, Paul Jacob, David Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Robert Novak, Thomas Sowell, Jacob Sullum, and Cal Thomas. It also publishes news from the Cybercast News Service. Its columnists often appear as guest commentators on C-Span, MSNBC, CNN, and the FOX News Channel.
[edit] Purchase by Salem
In May of 2006, Salem Communications purchased Townhall.com. Salem named Chuck DeFeo as the site's new manager, and Hugh Hewitt as the site's "Executive Editor". The site, which was relaunched on July 4th of 2006, reflected Hewitt's ambition to create a clearinghouse for conservative New Media and activism; it kept the deep stable of conservative commentators and columnists, but added an ambitious slate of new features, including podcasts of Salem network and local talk shows, blogs run by Salem talk show hosts, links to send feedback to politicians and sign petitions, and a facility to allow any user to set up a blog on the Townhall.com server.
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The difference, Ustwo, is that Kos was started, and the site is still owned by an individual, a guy who once voted for Reagan. Townhall.com is part of unified, media message, closely coordinated with the "bloggers" who are also radio talkshow hosts, ala Limbaugh, broadcast daily on more than 1200 Salem radio stations. From the beginning, townhall.com has been either a part of heritage.org, or Salem, and they are both COUNCIL FOR NATIONAL POLICY, (CNP):
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich
Paul M. Weyrich (born October 7, 1942, in Racine, Wisconsin) is a US conservative political activist and commentator.
He is widely considered one of the founders of the American New Right and an important strategist for the social and religious conservative movements. He is less well-known as an advocate for mass transit and rail transportation. He is an ordained protodeacon in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Weyrich is a regular columnist for NewsMax.[1] Weyrich supports 2008 conservative presidential candidate Mitt Romney.[2]
....*Conservative activism
Born in Racine, Wisconsin, Weyrich became involved in politics while a student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and was active in the Racine County Young Republicans from 1961 to 1963 and in Barry Goldwater's 1964 presidential campaign. He spent his early career in journalism as political reporter for the Milwaukee Sentinel newspaper and, in radio, as a reporter for WAXO-FM in Kenosha and as news director of KQXI in Denver.
In 1967, he became press secretary to Republican U.S. Senator Gordon L. Allott of Colorado. While serving in this capacity, he met Jack Wilson, an aide of Joseph Coors, patriarch of the Coors brewing family. Frustrated with the state of public policy research, they founded Analysis and Research Inc. in 1971, but this organization failed to gain traction.
[edit] Founding the Heritage Foundation
In 1973, with the financial backing of Coors, <h3>Weyrich and Ed Feulner founded the Heritage Foundation as a think tank to counterbalance prevailing sentiment on taxation and regulation, which they considered to be anti-business.</h3> While the organization was at first only minimally influential, it has grown into one of the world's largest and most respected public policy research institutes and has been hugely influential in advancing conservative policies.
The following year, again with support from Coors, Weyrich founded the Committee for the Survival of a Free Congress (CSFC), an organization that trained and mobilized conservative activists, recruited conservative candidates, and raised funds for conservative causes.
Under Weyrich, the CSFC proved highly innovative. It was among the first grassroots organizations to raise funds extensively through direct mail campaigns. It also was one of the first organizations to tap into evangelical Christian churches as places to recruit and cultivate activists and support for social conservative causes. Indeed, they proved such a wellspring that, in 1977, Weyrich co-founded Christian Voice with Robert Grant and two years later founded with Jerry Falwell the Moral Majority. Weyrich coined the phrase "Moral Majority."[3]
Over the next two decades, Weyrich founded, co-founded, or held prominent roles in a number of other notable conservative organizations. Among them, he was founder of the American Legislative Exchange Council, an organization of state legislators; <h3>a co-founder of the Council for National Policy, a strategy-formulating organization for social conservatives</h3>; co-publisher of the magazine Conservative Digest; and national chairman of Coalitions for America, an association of conservative activist organizations. The CSFC, reorganized into the Free Congress Foundation (FCF), also remained active....
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat...frequency.html
News: How the rise of Salem Communications' radio empire reveals the evangelical master plan
By Adam Piore
Illustration: John Hersey
December/January 2006 Issue
....Salem’s stations allow the religious right to share information, mobilize allies, and galvanize public opinion. During the Terri Schiavo battle, Dobson took to Salem’s airwaves and told listeners: “A woman’s life hangs in the balance. We really have to defend this woman, because if she dies, the lives of thousands of people around the country can be killed, too. There’s a principle here: It’s a paradigm of death versus a paradigm of life.” Dobson’s cohost then reeled off the phone numbers of Florida legislators. Salem’s founders are as politically skilled as their hosts. Time magazine recently named Epperson—who’s twice run for Congress as a Republican—as one of “the 25 most influential evangelicals in America” in a cover-story package that asked “What Does Bush Owe Them?” Atsinger is a Bush Pioneer, meaning he gave $100,000 to the president’s reelection campaign. In the 1990s, he helped revolutionize California politics, first by running Christians for local school boards and then backing candidates who took over the legislature. In 2000, the two men, along with a close political ally, funneled $780,000 into a California state ballot initiative to ban gay marriages.<h3> Both have served on the board of the Council for National Policy, a secretive and exclusive network of conservative activists and moneymen.</h3>
In 2004, Atsinger cochaired Americans of Faith, a massive, church-based, get-out-the-vote campaign, and Salem ran hundreds of radio spots urging Christians to vote. A Salem affiliate in Pennsylvania sponsored an Operation Vote caravan that registered voters, offering them prizes of cars and cash. Epperson and Atsinger were “spark plugs to take voter registration to the next level,” says NRB’s Wright. They also contributed $15,000 to John Thune’s campaign to defeat Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, and Salem host Kevin McCullough solicited funds for Thune on his Salem-sponsored blog.
For all their political activity, Atsinger, 66, and Epperson, 69, have shunned the spotlight. Atsinger declined to discuss his activism, and Epperson would rather talk about the Bible. He’s particularly fond of Romans, in which Paul describes the plight of those who’ve turned away from God: “So they are without excuse, for though they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him. But they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.”
Says Epperson: “I personally am happy the president won. But we’ve been very careful as a company to be nonpartisan. We talk about issues and urge people to vote their conscience. Democrats can be more credible by looking at the issues we care about and being responsive to our issues.”
In other words, get with the program. .....
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<h3>Ustwo, your political views are uncannily similar to those of a group of extremely conservative, billionaire and mega-millionaire, christian evangelical zealots. This is not a grassroots movement, Ustwo. It is political ideology and activist agenda funded by some of the wealthiest and most politically and religiously extreme folks in the US, a kind of christian evangelical GOP corporatism. Even as a "Kos" diarist, I don't feel comfortably opposite enough , compared to these heritage/CNP/"Gop for Jesus" "activists". How comfortable are you, politically allied with them in every way that is not connected with their religious agenda? How do you separate that part, UStwo?</h3>
...and don't forget, you're posting on a thread that features proof, right off of linked whitehouse.gov web pages, that Bush and Cheney have both received with open arms, publicly without explanation, a foreign person on record as enthusiastic over frequent deaths of American troops in Iraq and in reaction to the accidental deaths of shuttle astronauts, framed with the question of how an alleged "liberal press", would let the POTUS and the VP, get away with embracing such a person, without having to explain their reasons for ignoring his offense against America's bravest. Now, you seem uninterested in this controversy, as well.
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