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Junkie
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Originally Posted by host
I lay out for you, in thread after thread, an extremely cohesive, amazingly well coordinated, at least 30 year old "mission", campaign, "op", to take over and disarm the government, the appellate, and the supreme court, and you come back with the "same old shit".
Did the four justices you named, vote for or against Bush in "Gore v. Bush" in December, 2000?
Is it any wonder, given that I cannot "reach" you, a politically absorbed individual with a passion for discussion here, who actually reads some, or all of my posts, that the democrats, even if they do understand what I have documented, do not have a clue about how to stop it?
Look, if you will, at Ted Olson's role in the watergate investigation and hearings, at that one grinding, obsessive, eight years long, partisan attack, and then come back and tell me again, that "host, it's the democrats and you refuse to see it!".
Yes, dksuddeth, the democrats are impotent, but they're not "in on it"!
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you seem to picture me as a diehard, partisan, republican. I assure you I am not. I also assure you that, despite your apparent belief that the dems are not 'in on it', they care as little about your rights and freedoms as the republicans do.
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Originally Posted by host
There's already been a successful coup, dksuddeth, paid for by the Coors, Scaife, and Prince, and Olin families, founders all, of the CNP.
The courts and the federal government are now unaccountable to democratic challenge, as are the wealthiest, and the allied politicized, christian evangelical zealots. The democrats failed to stop these folks and their "army", the Federalist Society", because enough of the American electorate were either too apathetic or too ignorant to see what was actually happening, to oppose it.
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You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I also know that the democrats didn't fail to stop it because they couldn't. They failed to stop it because they wouldn't. They didn't stop it because they have a reasonable expectation that THEIR party will be in total power in '08 and they most assuredly want to be able to have that same power you are railing against right now.
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Originally Posted by host
I know what you want. You have a preference for the "wisdom" of the "founding fathers", the men who wrote legalized slavery into the US constitution, to subordinate the wisdom enhanced by the further experience gained over time, by our grandfathers and fathers. In your world, the southern states would still have their segregation and "Jim Crow" anti voting laws, but you would have your gun "rights"....
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you still have no clue what i'm truly about, do you?
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Originally Posted by host
You and I are divided, we argue, but Pat Robertson and his "boy" Sekulow, roll along, agenda and it's progress intact. Single minded in their purpose, no public dissent, and they've got GW, Rudy, and Mitt, solidly in "their corner", and their "gittin' et done". That's the difference bertween, them, and you, me, and the four SCOTUS justices who you referred to. <h3>We don't have that single mindedness of purpose, we're not corporatized, christianized, politicized, conservative zealots</h3>, out to diminish the role and effectiveness of the courts and the government. At least I am not, how about you?
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the smaller and less powerful the government, the better. I've never once backed away from that belief. The only things a larger government does is take away YOUR money and YOUR freedoms. It doesn't matter which side is doing it, it is still happening.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
Justice DK.....I think if you take the time to look, you will find that Ginsburg, Stevens, Souter and Breyer have often ruled in favor of individual rights over corporate or government rights (their most notable failure IMO, was the Connecticut eminent domain case)
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I singled out those four, not to intimate that ONLY they are undermining freedom, but that they collude with the others to do it. just in different ways while each having a different idea of what THEY want ideally.
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Originally Posted by dc_dux
And, in Congress, at least there still are a few Democrats (Kucinich, Dodd, Biben, et al) who have proposed legislation (National Security with Justice Act) to repeal parts of the Patriot Act...or to restore habeas (Restore the Constitution Act)...or to amend FISA to further limit warrantless wiretaps.
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A few....just a few. Why don't you think the others are pushing for these items?
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"no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
Last edited by dksuddeth; 11-13-2007 at 11:41 AM..
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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