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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
host, did you forget about ginsburg, stevens, souter, and breyer? they have also been very instrumental in relieving us irresponsible children of our rights.
I hate that you can't see that it's not just conservatives, but I can't call you partisan and not have you rail against it.
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I lay out for you, in thread after thread, an extremely cohesive, amazingly well coordinated, at least 30 year old "mission", campaign, "op", to take over and disarm the government, the appellate, and the supreme court, and you come back with the "same old shit".
Did the four justices you named, vote for or against Bush in "Gore v. Bush" in December, 2000?
Is it any wonder, given that I cannot "reach" you, a politically absorbed individual with a passion for discussion here, who actually reads some, or all of my posts, that the democrats, even if they do understand what I have documented, do not have a clue about how to stop it?
Look, if you will, at Ted Olson's role in the watergate investigation and hearings, at that one grinding, obsessive, eight years long, partisan attack, and then come back and tell me again, that "host, it's the democrats and you refuse to see it!".
Yes, dksuddeth, the democrats are impotent, but they're not "in on it"!
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/...raq/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush is warming up his veto muscles after the Senate passed a war funding bill Thursday that sets a deadline for withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Iraq by next April.
The 51 votes cast for the bill are nowhere near the 67 needed to override a veto, which Bush says he will deliver swiftly. The House passed the same measure on a 218-208 vote Wednesday night.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said the measure funds U.S. troops in the field while acknowledging that the four-year-old war needs a political, not military, solution.
"No one wants this nation to succeed in the Middle East more than I do," Reid said. "But I know that after four years of mismanagement and incompetence by this administration in the war in Iraq, there is no magic formula, no silver bullet that will lead us to the victory we all desire."
But Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said demanding a withdrawal while U.S. commanders are claiming progress in pacifying the Iraqi capital would hand a victory to the al Qaeda terrorist network, which has taken root in Iraq. (Watch Republicans tell what would fix the bill Video)
"We must give the plan for winning the military component of the war in Iraq a real chance to succeed," said McConnell, R-Kentucky. "Without it, there is no political solution."
Thursday's vote was 51-46. Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Gordon Smith of Oregon joined Democrats in supporting the bill. Connecticut independent Joe Lieberman, who caucuses with the Democrats, voted with Republicans opposing it.
Two supporters of Bush's Iraq policy -- Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina -- did not vote. Sen. Tim Johnson, D-South Dakota, who is recovering from a brain hemorrhage, also didn't vote.
The White House quickly denounced the outcome.
<h3>"The Senate has now joined the House in passing defeatist legislation that insists on a date for surrender</h3>, micromanages our commanders and generals in combat zones from 6,000 miles away, and adds billions of dollars in unrelated spending," White House spokeswoman Dan Perino said.
Senators make their cases
Before the vote, Lieberman condemned the bill -- which he said laid out "a strategy based on catchphrases and bromides rather than military realities" -- as a guarantee of failure in the war in Iraq. (Watch Senators argue for and against the bill Video)
"In my opinion, Iraq is not yet lost," Lieberman said, countering a remark to the contrary Reid made last week. "But if we follow the plan in this legislation, it will be lost and so, I fear, will much of our hope for stability in the Mideast."...
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http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Pentag...Iraq_1113.html
US withholding Iraq strategy document from Democratic lawmakers
Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday November 13, 2007
The Pentagon has denied repeated requests from Democratic lawmakers to view a key document outlining the chief US strategy to achieve stability in Iraq.
Created by General David Petraeus and US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, the Joint Campaign Plan details military and diplomatic steps intended to dramatically heighten security in Iraq by 2009. The exact nature of the plan, however, has been withheld from Congress thus far, according to Roll Call's Rachel Van Dongen.
"After persistent requests from House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton (D-Mo.), the issue has moved up the Congressional chain of command to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)," Van Dongen writes. "According to an aide, Pelosi asked President Bush for the document several months ago in a White House meeting. Since then, Pelosi's staff has 'repeatedly' requested a copy, her aide said, but has not yet received one.".....
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http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004692.php
....In an April 11 letter to Erin Conaton, the Armed Services Committee’s staff director, Wilkie wrote that the department was receiving an “unprecedented number of requests” for documents from Congress.
“Even with the use of a full-time staff dedicated to this process, the work is time- consuming since we must determine what documents can be properly shared with the legislative branch,” Wilkie said.
At the end of May, the oversight subcommittee <h3>finally received a copy of the 2006 plan and an April “interim” plan for 2007.</h3>
But that was a day after The Washington Post first reported on the plan’s details. Lawmakers still don’t have a copy of the current plan for 2007 and beyond.
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<h3>Watch it:</h3>
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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/1...ical-purposes/
Tim Russert Accuses Senator Dodd Of Using FISA Hold For Political Purposes
By: Logan Murphy on Sunday, October 28th, 2007 at 9:03 AM - PDT
Democratic presidential candidate Chris Dodd has been front and center in the fight to protect civil liberties by putting a hold on the latest FISA legislation which gives immunity to telecom companies for illegally turning over customer data to our government. This morning on Meet The Press <h3>Tim Russert, armed with all the Bush talking points, ambushed Dodd</h3> and directly accused him of using the FISA issue for purely political purposes.
Dodd held his own, but when read a quote from Sen. Jay Rockefeller disagreeing with his views on FISA, he failed to mention the massive donations Rockefeller has accepted from the telecom industry which just might have something to do with his desire to give them immunity.
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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...e=UTF-8&tab=wn
Leahy Renews Request For White House Legal Documents On Torture
All American Patriots (press release), Sweden - Nov 9, 2007
8, 2007) – In a letter sent Wednesday to White House Counsel Fred Fielding, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) again requested legal ...<br>
House Democrats press Bush on subpoenas
The Kindred Times, UT - Nov 10, 2007
In a separate letter, Conyers urged White House Counsel Fred Fielding to comply. The Congressional Research Service, Conyers added, reported that in at ...<br>
US Congress sets ultimatum on subpoenas for White House
Xinhua, China - Nov 5, 2007
wrote in a letter Monday to White House Counsel Fred Fielding. Conyers said he was seeking to resolve the conflict one last time even as he filed a contempt ...<br>
The Associated Press
Demand for White House's Abramoff Data
The Associated Press - Oct 31, 2007
The White House has produced 3700 pages of records but is withholding more than 600 others, Rep. Henry Waxman said in a letter to White House counsel Fred ...<br>
House Presses Bush on Subpoenas
The Associated Press - Nov 5, 2007
In what he said was his ninth letter to the White House on this issue, Conyers said he was trying one last time to reach an agreement on the release of the
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Abramoff's in the House
Washington Post, United States - Nov 1, 2007
In a letter to White House counsel Fred Fielding yesterday, Waxman wrote: "Despite the refusal of key witnesses to provide testimony, the Committee has ...<br>
Leahy to White House: Ahem, Torture Docs Please
TPMElectionCentral.com, NY - Nov 8, 2007
Today, again, he wrote White House counsel Fred Fielding to request documents relating to the administration's torture and interrogation policies (see ...<br>
Conyers Makes New Offer to White House on US Attorney Documents
CQPolitics.com, DC - Nov 8, 2007
In a letter Monday to White House counsel Fred F. Fielding, Conyers, D-Mich., proposed that the White House give the committee copies of communications ...
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There's already been a successful coup, dksuddeth, paid for by the Coors, Scaife, and Prince, and Olin families, founders all, of the CNP.
The courts and the federal government are now unaccountable to democratic challenge, as are the wealthiest, and the allied politicized, christian evangelical zealots. The democrats failed to stop these folks and their "army", the Federalist Society", because enough of the American electorate were either too apathetic or too ignorant to see what was actually happening, to oppose it.
I know what you want. You have a preference for the "wisdom" of the "founding fathers", the men who wrote legalized slavery into the US constitution, to subordinate the wisdom enhanced by the further experience gained over time, by our grandfathers and fathers. In your world, the southern states would still have their segregation and "Jim Crow" anti voting laws, but you would have your gun "rights"....
You and I are divided, we argue, but Pat Robertson and his "boy" Sekulow, roll along, agenda and it's progress intact. Single minded in their purpose, no public dissent, and they've got GW, Rudy, and Mitt, solidly in "their corner", and their "gittin' et done". That's the difference bertween, them, and you, me, and the four SCOTUS justices who you referred to. <h3>We don't have that single mindedness of purpose, we're not corporatized, christianized, politicized, conservative zealots</h3>, out to diminish the role and effectiveness of the courts and the government. At least I am not, how about you?
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