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Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser
No, I'm one of those folks who realize that someone isn't a Christian simply because they deem themselves as much. Really, your entire argument boils down to "Who am I to tell someone they're not a Christian?", which is completely faulty.
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I'm saying that all it takes to be a christian is the desire to follow jesus. You seem to think that i'm saying that all it takes to be a christian is calling oneself a christian.
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As stated earlier, following that line of thinking I can start a new brand of atheism which acknowledges the existence of a grand diety and you would have to accept it as a logical extension of atheism.
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No, you don't understand what i'm saying. Trying to create a theistic form of atheism is silly and has nothing to do with what i am saying.
Look, let's say that element x is a member of group X because element x satisfies the necessary conditions required for membership in X. If element x does not satisfy the necessary conditions for membership in X, then x is not in X. Not believing in a diety is a necessary condition for being an atheist, it's actually how atheism is defined. All that i'm saying is that the only necessary condition required for a person (element x) to be a member of christianity (group X) is that the person satisfy the necessary condition (a belief in and following of jesus motherfucking christ). Your analogy wouldn't be useless if i were trying to say that there were no necessary conditions for membership into the christian club. That this isn't what i'm saying should have been obvious from the get-go, since i've mentioned it in practically every post i've made in this thread.
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As ubertuber said to you earlier, at some point in time a logical examination of a particular group versus it's parent religion-- In this case Christianity-- Would lead to believe you're dealing with something entirely different than Christianity.
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Maybe, except that christianity is actually constantly changing, even the literal interpretationist manifestations of it. What denomination are you IL? Did your denomination exist exactly as it does now before the reformation? If not, why would you think that your denomination would pass uber's test? lol
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That'd only be necessary if, you know, there was some sort of law inside of Christianity forbidding interracial marriage. Just saying because, well, you know... 
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Depending on how literally you interpret the curse of ham, which, i guess would depend on how "real" you keep it as a christian, many nonwhite folks are decendants of canaan, whose skin was darkened and whose future as a slave was sealed when he had the nerve to walk in on his dad while his dad was naked, either that or he fucked his mom, it depends on how you want to interpret it. But that's just what some members of the "parent religion" thought.
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Originally Posted by abaya
I suppose I take this as a given, based on previous years spent in the faith. I no longer believe that hell exists, but to be a Christian, I think you pretty much HAVE to believe in hell... why else would you see a need to "accept Jesus?"
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That makes sense if you think the only appealing thing about accepting jesus is avoiding eternal damnation.