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Old 11-11-2007, 10:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by willravel
The article doesn't say it doesn't happen. Pleas read the article.

From an arcitle google found in a split second of research:

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Of an estimated 106 million emergency department (ED) visits in the U.S. during 2004, the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) estimates that 1,997,993 were drug-related. DAWN data indicate that MDMA was involved in 8,621 ED visits; GHB was involved in 2,340 visits; rohypnol was involved in 473 visits; and ketamine was involved in 227 visits.]

That's in one year.
I'm not trying to argue that it doesn't happen, but I must point out that none of that info proves anything about the use of those drugs in rape.

The first one, MDMA, is ecstasy. Ecstasy is a commonly used drug in social contexts. Just because a woman went to a party, had ecstasy, and later had sex she didn't consent to, doesn't mean she was date-raped with it. It's exceedingly more likely that she'd taken the drug anyway, by choice, and later on ended up having sex without real consent, because she was high on ecstasy. This is very much like a girl drinking alcohol all night and then having sex- just because she was impaired, and someone had sex with her, doesn't mean the person who had sex with her "dosed" her in order to "date rape" her. Ecstasy is used a great deal recreationally, and is not like rohypnol, which is much more (almost exclusively) used for the amnesiac effects, as well as sedative.

GHB is also a very common rave/dance/party drug. So again, it's incredibly more likely that it was taken knowingly and the victim later on had sex she couldn't consent to.

Don't forget, these amnesiac drugs also wipe some of your memory from just prior to taking the drug, so the victim may not even remember how they got it- including if someone offered it by name (hey, want some GHB?), and she took it willingly, or even asked for it. She may not remember that. If you don't remember asking for it, and you had sex you didn't mean to have, are you more likely to convince yourself you were slipped a drug, or asked for the drug? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

I have a friend who frequently laments her hangovers, complaining that she does not remember continuing to buy drinks, and always claims "when I get drunk, I stop drinking". Well, that's a load of nonsense because I've seen her lots of times downtown towards the end of the night, trashed out of her mind and partying it up, talking happily about how much booze she'd consumed thus far. A few times, I've taken her home because she didn't seem to have any idea who the guy on her arm was, and he couldn't give me any information about her for me to assume he actually knew her more than "impaired chick who I can take advantage of later". I've distanced myself from her because as much as I've tried to help, she continues to do this, and I don't want to be around if something truly bad ever happens to her as a result. In other words, I can't stand by and watch her destroy herself.

As for rohypnol and ketamine, I'll grant that they have little "social drug" value and are mostly used as sedative/amnesiacs. It's entirely possible that most of those cases are, in fact, true "date rape" cases.

Not sure why you posted the arrest rates, since it has nothing to do with rape- maybe you were just showing how relatively bountiful they are in quantity.
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