Originally Posted by host

Where do you come by your arrogant observations, or are they more of a sign of oblivious innocence? You're fully supportive of giving away earning opportunities and worker protections that your great grand-father's generation fought so hard, and had their heads busted by company goons, to achieve.

MrSelfDestruct rounds it all out with his posted preference for tax "reform" that is regressive for the bottom half of the country's household, and is "only fair" to the wealthiest. Here's how some of the wealthiest got that way. They encouraged lax immigration enforcement and then "mined" the bodies that slipped in, cutting wages for the folks who had fought to achieve a fair day's pay for a fair day's work, and then turning them out when it suited them.

You have the luxury of "feeling", instead of examining. Why not give a green card to the illegal worker after you give him amnesty, and to his aunt and
first cousins, because they are his dependents, part of his household in Mexico.

Since there is no indication that your sympathies are with anyone but the illegals, consider that the illegals have priced American residents out of the jobs that they've taken:

<h3>Consider that unionized Hormel workers, doing the same $12.00/hour jobs described in the following article, were paid $10.69 a fucking hour, in 1984, and that was 23 fucking years ago. I wish that you would wake up and see what is happening here. Greedy fucking pig executives, lobbying to keep their penalties light as they lobby for lax immigration enforcement and amnesty. It keeps wages down, divides communties along ethnic and economic lines, and it sure as shit makes for a compliant workforce that lives an "underground" mindset and would never dare to express the militancy necessary to overcome the hurdles of unionizing. The "icing" on the cake is Bush's total makeover of the NLRB...only management is represented.</h3>



I do mean to pick on you guys, but it isn't just you two who lack perspective of where we've been and where we're going. In some states, 50 percent do not graduate high school. If you dilute the labor force by permitting illegals to stay and work here, the result is lower pay, bigger profits for a few, and a society of already strapped lower ninety percent...the rest of us", who only own 30 percent of total US wealth, as it is.

Sheesh ! I'm not a radical. My father was a career labor relations lawyer, he represented management in contract negotiations, but he believed in respecting workers right to organize. I've been a union shop steward, and I've also been a business owner. I see almost no posted perspectives, on these threads that is fair or sustainable, or cognizant of today's economic conditions, as far as support for labor or for more equitable wealth distribution.

All I see are folks who supported politicians who told them that government is ineffective, it doesn't work....but there they were, wanting to run it, and make gains for themselves and their cronies, as they ran the government they mismanaged, into the ground.

Now, a number of you want to elect the most fervent, anti "big government" candidate for president, because, he's honest.

He still hates government. Why would you want to elect him to run it? You wouldn't hire a football coach who didn't believe coaching players, and you wouldn't want a general who didn't believe that a military force could be organized and managed to be effective and efficient.

<h3>We have a huge and growing trend of wealth imbalance, and the solution...do away with progressive income taxes, and legalize a huge pool of docile, illegal workers who work for much less than the American residents. Way to go !!</h3>
I do not see coherent sets of ideas posted in this forum, and the ones that are posted are supported by links to, what?????