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Old 11-10-2007, 03:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
Martian
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
and all you are doing is promoting the idea that it's ok to steal shit that belongs to someone else, just do it 'peacefully' and you won't have to worry about any consequences. what a crock.
That's not what's stated, or even implied. I'm not condoning criminal behaviour. At the same time, stuff is just that - stuff. Cars, computers, cash, it's all replaceable and in most cases insured for just such an unhappy circumstance. A human life is not replaceable and the only justification for taking one is if there is immediate threat of grievous harm to yourself or those around you. I can't imagine trying to put a price tag on a human life, even that of such a mean and low individual as the one who would resort to such crimes. That you would value your car or any other possession over another human being is very alarming to me.

Further, you seem not to take into account the fact that non-opposition in these situations is as much about protecting the victim of the crime as the perpetrator. A car jacker or mugger is not rational, but they're generally not crazy either. They know as well as you or I do that murder is a much bigger crime than theft and will generally not be inclined to commit it unless the situation is escalated. If you co-operate, the odds of a non-violent resolution are much greater, which works as much to your advantage as anyone else's. The good guy doesn't always shoot first in real life.

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
my car is a damn good reason to shoot someone. with no car, i've no way to get to my job, to earn my check, to feed and clothe my family. get it?
I can't imagine that you'd lose your job as a result of having your car stolen. Further to that, your vehicle is far more likely to be stolen when you're not actually in it. I'm assuming you have contingencies in place for such an event; most people have insurance for that very reason. Spare me the emotional appeals, please.

A human life is not something to be casually discarded. The whole point of laws like this is to allow individuals to protect their own lives or the lives of those around them without having to fear unjust repercussions for a sadly necessary action. Again, I simply do not understand how you could possibly believe that your car is equal in value to the life of another human being. The very thought is alien to me.
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