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Old 11-09-2007, 08:36 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
With these kinds of laws, I'm seeing...

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Wait... so laws inspire crime? I'm confused again. This happens often. Hang with me, brother.

Your logic would explain why when I got my concealed weapons permit that I felt it necessary to fire wildly into the air and rob the nearest liquor store.

I understand your points, but I don't agree with them. They make humans seem like closet psychotics just waiting for some law to let them do whatever crazy act they've simply been waiting for...

Right now? We all have the means for homicide... but no motivation. There is a social stigma, the establishment provides deterrence, etc. We'll say that motivation is something that exists outside of the physical world. If it wasn't guns... it would be swords or table legs or Halx's cock or crossbows or sharp sticks or scissors. Why did they ban civilian ownership of swords in Japan in 1588 and then in 1876? Hell, the FBI had a stand-alone group that studies violent crimes committed with a friggin' baseball bat. Go figure.

None of this blaming technology shit either. "Guns make it easy." That is always the next silly argument. To that I say: "But plasma guns would make it even easier."

Very truly I tell you that I don't think laws provide motivation for such things. Drug laws, for example, wouldn't increase the rate of narcotic consumption, I believe. I think the crime rate would remain the same or even lessen.

Issues:

- You will definitely have gummint legislation that provides the stringent training and certification criteria to allow individuals to legally carry weapons.
- You will still have weapon free zones with said legislation. Banks, schools, liquor stores, gummint buildings, and any place that doesn't want weapons.
- I seriously doubt that people that weren't previously inclined to homicide would suddenly engage in it due to some minor, heavily-red-taped legislation.
- How do self-defense laws involving firearms relate to the middle class disappearing?
- Do you understand how self defense laws work in the US? They suck. Even if you righteously kill somebody... you are first arrested, have your weapon confiscated, booked, and end up in jail until it is proven that you were in the right.
- Yuppies will continue to be rich and live in gated communities guarded by large men with submachine guns (Rosie O'Donnell, for example)

/ babble

If you've never had a significant other attacked before you don't know how awful it feels to depend on a third party for the safety of their very life.

Bumper sticker: 9 out of 10 women prefer shooting a rapist to being raped.

Self defense: I'm not a smart man but I'm a do-it-yourself kinda guy.

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I jumped through all the many required government hoops (paperwork, training, certification) to legally carry a concealed weapon. I carry it every day, exercising my right. Does this make me more likely to commit a crime than the next guy?

edit: wow, this makes very little sense. oh well.

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
This shit pisses me off to no fucking end. First off, if these criminals realize that facing no resistance at the beginning, only to have to deal with you as the only eyewitness in court IF they are caught will only cause them to kill you to avoid that eyewitness. Also, why would you embolden the criminals to recognize that they won't face any resistance in taking YOUR personal property that you worked your ass off for. Some people here don't consider the taking of life worth physical property but I say these people have no clue what it means to live life paycheck to paycheck and to value what is yours.
The mentality you carry pisses me off. You shoot Mormons for trespassing?

All carjackers get my car. All robbers get my wallet. Break into my house and steal my laptop? Just keep going; it's cool... I'm insured. The only time I'm going to use any kind of force against an armed someone who is attempting to take something from me is if that something is my life or the life of someone important to me. If I feel like I'm the target, not merely my possessions... I will retaliate at that time. You can take my stuff, but you don't touch me or my family.

Instead of brandishing your gun right machismo, go brandish your educational rights and get a better job. I was in the US military as a bottom-of-the-barrel NCO and I didn't have to live paycheck to paycheck.

What is your excuse?

Instead of regulating guns, maybe we should have mandatory morality classes.
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