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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
for concealed, there is a training requirement. no requirements for open carry.
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I'd call that a stalemate between positions.
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As I also admitted before, lower death rates are also hypothetical, but it's about giving otherwise defenseless students a chance where right now, they have none.
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This, I suppose, is also a stalemate. Without knowing a lot more, there's really no way to say if more or less deaths were likely.
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then you've made no sense.
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Cho still could have fired on innocent people if he were in a defendable position and people were fleeing. That's what I said.
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and since it's been near impossible to identify who has this personality,
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Both Columbine and V-Tech could have been avoided by simple cessions with a psychologist. I'm sure you'd agree that prevention that doesn't effect guns one way or the other would be preferable to either unarmed or armed innocent people being fired on.
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you should decide whether or not you want to give students the means of defense, or let them be defenseless. Letting them remain defenseless because you think guns on campus is insane, is a tacit admission that you don't care enough to let them have the means to defend themselves.
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If someone is scared about getting shot at school, kevlar vests are available to anyone without a permit or training. And you can't get killed by a kevlar vest. That's defensive. Bringing a gun is not defensive, but offensive.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
and how would they 'apprehend' him? using guns. if he resisted them, do you really think they wouldn't have killed him?
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You must know how these things work, considering you have so many articles about armed lawbreakers. If you're in a gun fight with a police officer or officers, there's a reasonable chance you'll survive even if shot. Him blowing off his head didn't have the same chances of survival by far.
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then explain how they keep finding weapons (guns and knives) in prisons?
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If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were trying to get guns a mistrial due to inadequate council. Knifes in prison? You mean shanks that aren't really knives? And what guns? And what does prison have to do with school?
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I see wrongness in the mentality that a law or a sign is going to be enough keep guns out of schools. maybe because it hasn't worked in the last 15 years that it's been tried. I also see wrongness with a beauracracy that tells students they cannot have a weapon on campus with which to defend themselves and then say that they do not have the obligation or ability to provide those students with safety from someone with a weapon.
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So I guess colleges don't have campus security and police... You make your case weaker by exaggerating and using misinformation.
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I do know that a person with a gun has a better chance of defending himself against another with a gun, than if that person was unarmed against a person with a gun.
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You're misusing the word defending. Again.