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Originally Posted by willravel
Strawman. More police shooting can also create an environment where accidental shootings are more likely, just as civilians. That's why I mentioned specifically military and police officers. They make mistakes, too. At least, though, I know if I see a police officer that they are trained. While it'd be nice to require training before getting a fire arm, that's simply not the case right now.
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then i'd say you are completely unfamiliar with at least half the states gun laws.
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Originally Posted by willravel
All of this is hypothetical. It's hypothetical both ways. To purposefully ignore that fact does a disservice and to this very serious subject. With no one armed, 32 people didn't have a chance. With everyone armed, how can you possibly say that the death toll could not have gone up? How can you possibly say that? It's almost as if you believe that it's not reasonable to factor in stray bullets in a fire fight.
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so you're point is that you'd rather 32 die with zero chance than to risk the possibility of more deaths, but give them a chance. thanks.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Another strawman. *sigh* I specifically cited where he could have taken cover. He wanted to inflict death, and had the people he was targeting opened fire, it's not unreasonable to believe that he would have returned fire.
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forcing him to take cover would have negated his ability to just fire with no concern. this gives students a chance, but I'm beginning to understand that you'd rather just have them die than to have a chance.
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Originally Posted by willravel
He would be concerned, and would likely return fire as those firing on him were his targets. The police, on the other hand, were not his targets and he ended his life because he didn't want to be taken alive.
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This is illogical. If he is only concerned with death, than he would have just shot it out with police, suicide by cop, and maybe taking one or more of them with him. This obviously wasn't what he was up to. He only wanted to kill with abandon while he faced no resistance.
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Originally Posted by willravel
It's a shame they don't take steps to better enforce a policy of no guns on campus, which is what this thread is about.
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maybe more signs that said 'guns not allowed' would help?