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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
And they would certainly know, given the mike bell incident in new york. 
I also always hear the argument that mere civilians carrying would simply increase exponentially the number of innocent bystanders slaughtered because if you're not wearing a badge, you just aren't good enough. |
Strawman. More police shooting can also create an environment where accidental shootings are more likely, just as civilians. That's why I mentioned specifically military and police officers. They make mistakes, too. At least, though, I know if I see a police officer that they are trained. While it'd be nice to require training before getting a fire arm, that's simply not the case right now.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
You're implying that having just one other person that could fire back would only result in MORE than 32 people dead, which is clearly hypothetical, admittedly so is saying that another armed person would reduce the number of deaths but the difference between the two is that in the hypothetical of no armed students, nobody has a chance, whereas if even one person is armed, there IS a chance.
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All of this is hypothetical. It's hypothetical both ways. To purposefully ignore that fact does a disservice and to this very serious subject. With no one armed, 32 people didn't have a chance. With everyone armed, how can you possibly say that the death toll could not have gone up? How can you possibly say that? It's almost as if you believe that it's not reasonable to factor in stray bullets in a fire fight.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
This is assuming that little hui cho would be totally unconcerned about someone firing back at him.
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Another strawman. *sigh* I specifically cited where he could have taken cover. He wanted to inflict death, and had the people he was targeting opened fire, it's not unreasonable to believe that he would have returned fire. He would be concerned, and would likely return fire as those firing on him were his targets. The police, on the other hand, were not his targets and he ended his life because he didn't want to be taken alive.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
and guns weren't allowed on campus but that obviously didn't stop cho, did it?
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It's a shame they don't take steps to better enforce a policy of no guns on campus, which is what this thread is about.