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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Host, snarkey comments aside, my question is actually relevant to the topic at hand. I can't believe with all your google skills that you aren't able to find it. The only other alternative is that you aren't willing to find it, which would mean that you aren't really interested in discussing anything.
Thompson's first role was playing Fred Thompson in "Marie". It's a movie about the woman who took on the governor of Tennessee and the pardon board in the mid-70's. Thompson defended her when she was illegally removed from office for refusing to rubber-stamp pardons that had been bought and paid for. When Roger Donaldson made it into a movie, he asked Thompson to play himself. That's his first role, as a crusading lawyer defending the unjustly accused.
<h3>Thompson was also responsible for Howard Baker's question "what did the President know and when did he know it" during Watergate.</h3>
So host, when you attack Thompson as being an "entertainment personality", you really make yourself look uninformed and ignorant of the facts.
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The_Jazz, the historical record strongly suggests that Fred Thompson was a political hack, secretly acting at the direction of, and in the best interests of a criminal president, instead of in the way he appeared to be acting on the surface, part of a sincere congressional effort to check and balance the unlawful acts of the executive branch.
I think it is reasonable to say that the record shows that Thompson, a member of the bar, acting in that capacity, and thus, as an officer of the court, can and should, now that this info is public, be held to a higher standard....the double dealing SOB was earnestly and secretly helping the president to attempt to obstruct the Watergate congressional committee investigation, and that is contempt of congress, and obstruction of justice, not to mention an indication of intense partisanship.
The record indicates that the Nixon white house had programmed the cooperative Thompson to appear that he was examining, as a committee staff attorney designated by a prominent senator, a sworn witness who was cooperating with the committee's investigation, John Dean. Instead the record shows that Thompson's intent was to discredit Dean, via white house instructions. Thompson also misled the official record of the hearing, and all in America who were watching the televised hearing, by falsely denying Dean's accusation that Thompson took direction from the white house, in the manner in which he was examining witness Dean.
You are certainly welcome to post how you think this makes "anyone look", considering the final sentences in your post #6.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...19179&ft=1&f=2
Election 2008
Thompson's Watergate Role Not as Advertised
by Peter Overby
All Things Considered, November 5, 2007 ·
......This early national attention takes on new relevance as the clock ticks on the presidential nominating process; Iowans will begin the process of choosing the party's nominee in just nine weeks. Thompson's public role in the hearings is clear. However, just how did this early moment of confrontation shape Thompson?
In the spring of 1973, President Richard Nixon has just been re-elected in a 49-state landslide. But the victory was tainted by increasing evidence that his closest aides had conspired to suppress political opposition, most blatantly by planting a telephone bug at the Democratic National Committee offices in the Watergate building in Washington.
The Senate named a select committee to investigate and the panel's Republican was Howard Baker of Tennessee. For his chief counsel, Baker brought in a side-burned, 30-year-old lawyer from his home state.
"I had high regard for him as a lawyer and as a friend," Baker said.
White House Tapes Revealed
The young friend was Fred Thompson. One morning that summer, Thompson would become famous when — during one of the nationally televised hearings — he questioned Butterfield.
Thompson began, "Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?"
Butterfield, after a long pause, responded, "I was aware of listening devices, yes sir."
Thompson worked methodically through his questions. "On whose authority were they installed, Mr. Butterfield?"
"On the president's authority, by way of Mr. Haldeman [then-chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman] and Mr. Higby [Lawrence Higby, a Haldeman aide]," Butterfield said.
The session was a turning point in the investigation.
Baker had famously, and repeatedly, asked, "What did the president know, and when did he know it?" After Butterfield's testimony, everyone knew that Baker's question could be answered, definitively, from tapes in the White House.
Nixon fought for a year to keep the tapes secret. But when the Supreme Court ruled unanimously against him, he was done. In August 1974, he resigned.
An Ambiguous Role in Watergate
Today, the Web site of Thompson's presidential campaign says he "gained national attention for leading the line of inquiry that revealed the audio-taping system in the White House Oval Office." But in other accounts, Thompson's role in the Watergate probe was much more ambiguous.
One instance came at a hearing three weeks before Butterfield testified. <h3>The witness was John Dean, formerly Nixon's chief counsel, then the star witness against the president.
Thompson opened his cross-examination with an attempt to disarm Dean:</h3> "I hope I'm not considered to be badgering you in any way, but I'm sure you realize, as one lawyer to another, that your actions and motivations are very relevant."
Dean shot back, "In fact, if I were still at the White House, I'd probably be feeding you the questions to ask the person who's sitting here."
Thompson hesitated and then began, "Well, Mr. Dean," as laughter rolled through the hearing room. <h3>"And if I were here as I am, I would respond as I have responded, that I don't need any questions to be fed to me from anybody."
In fact, Thompson was being fed information — by Nixon lawyer J. Fred Buzhardt. White House tapes, later made public, captured Nixon, Buzhardt and others discussing the cooperation of both Thompson and Baker, not once but several times.
In a phone call on June 11, 1973, for example, Nixon asked for "a brief report" from Buzhardt, and the lawyer said, "I found Thompson most cooperative, feeling more Republican every day." He added that Thompson seemed "perfectly prepared to assist in really doing a cross-examination" of Dean.
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How'd He Know About the Tapes?
But the Oval Office tapes fail to address another question: How did Thompson come to question Butterfield about the tapes?
Thompson already knew what Butterfield would say. Butterfield had spilled it all to committee investigators in a private meeting three days earlier. And a memo written by Thompson had prompted him to do it.
<h3>The Democratic investigator in the meeting, Scott Armstrong, had obtained an old memo of Thompson's, intended to be seen only by the committee's Republicans. In the document, Thompson had summarized a set of attack points — delivered from the White House — and included long quotations from Nixon.</h3>
During that meeting of committee investigators, Armstrong laid the memo in front of Butterfield and asked about the long quotes. Was there a stenographer in the Oval Office? Did Nixon dictate something?
Butterfield said no and no.
With the question still hanging there after three hours, Armstrong turned it over to his Republican counterpart, Don Sanders.
<h3>"If it weren't for Thompson having created the document and collaborated with the White House on that, the taping system would not have been found," Armstrong says. He says he has always been amazed that Thompson got such a boost from the disclosure of the tapes. "I thought Thompson would be filling out his resume looking for new work."</h3>
Thompson's campaign didn't respond to an NPR request to speak with the candidate. But his recollections were recorded at a reunion of Watergate committee veterans in 1992, by a program called the Public Radio Law Show. NPR obtained the tape from the library of the University of Missouri, Columbia, which received Sanders' papers after he died in 1999.
On that program, Thompson recalled events this way: "Don Sanders on the staff really was the guy who asked the question at a staff meeting. He came to me and told me that. And that was kind of my reaction, somewhat of a surprise, to say the least." Sanders was Thompson's deputy counsel.
Defining Moment?
Also during the 1992 reunion, Sanders recalled asking Butterfield pointblank if there was a taping system: "He said, 'Well, I was hoping you wouldn't question me about that. I wondered what I would say if I were asked that, but I feel like I have to tell the truth.' So he did."
To relay the news to Thompson, Sanders said he first had to call him out of a local pub. "Because he was with some reporters, I got him away from them, and got him out on the street corner and told him the story," Sanders said.
Committee Democrats were glad to let Thompson be the one to drop the bombshell on television.
"By having Thompson ask the question, you're having the president's own people ask the embarrassing question," said Stanley Kutler, a long-time historian of Watergate at the University of Wisconsin. <h3>"So it's no great heroic task that Fred Thompson takes on."</h3>
Kutler sees Thompson as someone who successfully navigated treacherous waters, while always mindful that he was working for Baker. He said it's not a case of someone telling truth to power.
"Is this a defining moment for Fred Thompson?" Kutler said. "Maybe it really was, because for the first time it put him in the public eye. And I think it's safe to conclude that, having been in the public eye, he kind of liked it."
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<h3>Watch the video:</h3>
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19675541/
updated 3:46 p.m. ET, Mon., July. 9, 2007
WASHINGTON - Fred Thompson gained an image as a tough-minded investigative counsel for the Senate Watergate committee. Yet President Nixon and his top aides viewed the fellow Republican as a willing, if not too bright, ally, according to White House tapes.
....Friendly, but not 'very smart'
<h3>Publicly, Baker and Thompson presented themselves as dedicated to uncovering the truth.</h3> But Baker had secret meetings and conversations with Nixon and his top aides, while Thompson worked cooperatively with the White House and accepted coaching from Nixon's lawyer, J. Fred Buzhardt, the tapes and transcripts show.
"We've got a pretty good rapport with Fred Thompson," Buzhardt told Nixon in an Oval Office meeting on June 6, 1973. The meeting included a discussion of former White House counsel John Dean's upcoming testimony before the committee.
Dean, the committee's star witness, had agreed to tell what he knew about the break-in and cover-up if he was granted immunity against anything incriminating he might say.
Nixon expressed concern that Thompson was not "very smart."
"Not extremely so," Buzhardt agreed.
"But he's friendly," Nixon said.
"But he's friendly," Buzhardt agreed. "We are hoping, though, to work with Thompson and prepare him, if Dean does appear next week, to do a very thorough cross-examination."
Five days later, Buzhardt reported to Nixon that he had primed Thompson for the Dean cross-examination.
"I found Thompson most cooperative, feeling more Republican every day," Buzhardt said. "Uh, perfectly prepared to assist in really doing a cross-examination."
Later in the same conversation, Buzhardt said Thompson was "willing to go, you know, pretty much the distance now. And he said he realized his responsibility was going to have be as a Republican increasingly."
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Note that "liberal" NPR is running it's "in depth" coverage of this news story, nearly four months after the AP first reported it.
Last edited by host; 11-06-2007 at 01:36 AM..
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