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So Kadath shouldn't have used the word "force"; is that the point you are both trying to make?

Assuming the person doesn't believe that working a minimum wage job will make him or her have a better life and considering our society judges its members by their abilities to consume are you surprised that people would choose not to work?

Given the fact that crime seems to hurt the victims much more than the criminals at what point do you start to accept the burden of increasing the life chances of the impoverished?

I mean, you could certainly continue to hold to some moral conviction that impoverished people who would otherwise choose crime instead of "honest" work are not entitled to government assistance--but that is apparently and ultimately self-defeating. After all, don't you then pay for them to sit in prison, their supervision, and the entire police structure to aprehend them in the first place?

The question might more accurately become which is the better investment--spend money on educating the poor and/or providing certain assistance or continue the expansion of the prison industry. Both cost money and the latter is reactive (and doesn't come into action until innocent citizens are harmed) while the former is proactive (and occurs before the citizen violates the norms of our society).