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roachboy · 10-25-2007, 06:51 AM

the man who sold the world.
all the time.
the opening riff.
i dont understand it.

and when i am riding, for some reason, i get this depeche mode loop going in my skull. over and over.

what drives me nuts about this assemblage is that the songs are in the same fucking key. so it must have to do with some frequencies generated by chicagospace. maybe the sound of bike wheels on chicago-pavement. maybe traffic and the way the sound echoes. maybe the el. i dont know, but once these loops start--and particlarly once they start blurring into each other--ugh....earworms. hate them. you cant swat them, you cant crush them on your arm and watch the blood that was being sucked spread. you cant get rid of them.

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on cage's 4'33"

i like that there exists a string of recordings of this piece.
i particularly like the london symphony's version.
they dont play like any other group that doesnt play for that duration.
excellent stuff.

the piece is interesting, though, in that its about ambient sound--that's the way in which it comes out of the anechoic chamber story--which cage told and told and told and told and told. its about the situational definition of music as over against sound. music is a subset of sound. what distinguishes music is compositional intent----compositional intent results in structure---and structure is duration. so what matters really about 4'33" is its duration.

that's also why anything you record----anything at all----is music.

10-25-2007, 06:51 AM	#42 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	the man who sold the world. all the time. the opening riff. i dont understand it. and when i am riding, for some reason, i get this depeche mode loop going in my skull. over and over. what drives me nuts about this assemblage is that the songs are in the same fucking key. so it must have to do with some frequencies generated by chicagospace. maybe the sound of bike wheels on chicago-pavement. maybe traffic and the way the sound echoes. maybe the el. i dont know, but once these loops start--and particlarly once they start blurring into each other--ugh....earworms. hate them. you cant swat them, you cant crush them on your arm and watch the blood that was being sucked spread. you cant get rid of them. ======================= on cage's 4'33" i like that there exists a string of recordings of this piece. i particularly like the london symphony's version. they dont play like any other group that doesnt play for that duration. excellent stuff. the piece is interesting, though, in that its about ambient sound--that's the way in which it comes out of the anechoic chamber story--which cage told and told and told and told and told. its about the situational definition of music as over against sound. music is a subset of sound. what distinguishes music is compositional intent----compositional intent results in structure---and structure is duration. so what matters really about 4'33" is its duration. that's also why anything you record----anything at all----is music. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 10-25-2007 at 06:57 AM..