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Originally Posted by filtherton
All science is an implicit demonstration of what we don't know. Is there anything in the constitutive equation for gravitation that explains the mechanism by which gravity works? No.
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Science is not a demonstration of what we don't know. Science is about figuring out what we do know. It's about facts and truths and how they work. I see no implication in it at all about what we don't know. I see what we don't know as the problem and science as the solution.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
From what i understand, you're advocating some sort of "hidden variable" which is an idea that has been explored and discredited in the context of heisenberg.
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As I said above, science is about what we know, not about what we don't know. The reason you're citing Heisenberg is because it's about what we don't know, in a manner of speaking, but it's not that simple. Heisenberg is a demonstration of what isn't the answer. It's saying, "We've applied what we know to test this, but it's not panning out. Stand by." That standing by, or the moment in which we don't have a solution, is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. I can't say if it will be solved or not, but the interpretation that Heisenberg suggests there is no solution is a misunderstanding.
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Originally Posted by filtherton
Here is what is going on here will, you disagree with a specific, experimentally supported, scientific theory and instead of bending your perspective to match what science tells you, you are insisting, in spite of a complete lack of evidence, on the existence of some completely unsubstantiated mechanism to explain why a bunch of quantum physicists don't know what they're talking about. You are doing exactly what you argue against when it comes to theists.
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Whoa, wait just a second... who said the Heisenberg uncertainty principle was a theory? You know that a principle is very different from a theory, right? If it were a theory or law, this would be a completely different conversation. It's neither. It's a principle.