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Originally Posted by dc_dux
ace...IMO, if you knew how the program works, you would not have posted this:
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I also posted this #38:
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I don't think people understand the potential impact. It is much more complicated than it needs to be. It has the potential to turn otherwise honest people into "cheats" (look at the example above if $1 is going to mean the loss of coverage, many otherwise honest people will hide the $1).
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And I posted this #50:
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Feel free to re-read what I wrote. In the State of Texas, there is a household asset test of $10,000. What assets are included? Who constitutes the "household"? What happens when a 17 year-old gets a job and saves money, but there are other children? Does the 17 year-olds assets cause the other children to lose coverage? What happen if granma moves into the household and has money in her checking account? What if the money comes in and goes out so that the average balance in checking and savings never exceeds $10,000, but the high was greater.
Now mulitply the above by 50 different states, then multiply that asset test by the other tests.
I am not saying people can't figure it out, I am just saying it is overly complicated.
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I certainly don't know the detailed requirements in all 50 states or even one state. I am betting no one person does. But, like I said people can figure it out. So unless you understand, right now, how the program works in all 50 states, you help prove my point.
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Because persons who have employer coverage cannot opt out in order to be eligible for SCHIP...there are no shades of gray.
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We define "opt out" in different ways. A person making a choice where they could have private coverage compared to a choice where they don't have private coverage but qualify for S-CHIP has "opted out" of the private sector based on my definition. A couple deciding not to get married because they may not qualify for S-CHIP, has "opted out" of the private sector. There are thousands of other possible examples. Perhaps you can define what you mean when you say "opt out"
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If the manner in which I corrected that fallacy appeared uncivil to you or others, I apologize.
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I apologize to you as well. However, I still wonder if you understand. I certainly understand my personal attack against you. I am not a sensitive person and like I said, I just point it out in case you desire an increased understanding. I often find it ironic how, as a conservative, I am expected to take personal attacks without response and how my response is considered out of line but not the initial attack. I saw a segment of a floor speech on the S-CHIP bill were a Congressman stated that Bush was sending children to Iraq to get their heads blown off for his amusement. Democrats say that and then expect civil discourse.
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In any case, the SCHIP will be reauthorized in the coming weeks and I think its a good thing....until Congress gets their act together and focuses on a better long term solution and that certainly wont happen until after the 08 election.
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As I have stated many times, it could be better. If I were a leader in Congress I would send my ideal bill to be veto'd before sending a compromise.
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So for now, its SCHIP or nothing. I prefer SCHIP.
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That is a false choice. There are other options.