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Originally Posted by willravel
You know what's best for yourself, but that doesn't stop you doing it. People should be responsible for themselves. It has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with responsibility.
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yet you feel that the government should outlaw smoking, maybe drinking, or at least anything else that you feel is bad for people? are you confused maybe?
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Originally Posted by willravel
How about I name 10?
ACHP
Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigations Board
Federal Maritime Commission
Merit Systems Protection Board
National Archives and Records Administration
National Council on Disability
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
National Institute of Mental Health
National Park Service
I can name a lot more.
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we still have chem spills, hazardous material issues, pirates and boating accidents, the presidents brain is missing, handicapped people still get dismissed, what arts, what humanities, how many thousands of mentally ill people go without medical care, and the park service? what a mess. nice try though.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I am pretty smart. I'm smart enough to do my homework on the issue. How much would we be paying per person if we had the same system as the UK, in taxes? I know the answer to this question. How much do we pay in our current system?
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I repeat, the gov is NOT going to foot the entire bill for medical care as it rises because more people will abuse the 'free' universal health care and go to doctors for having a cold or a rash instead of being sensible. They WILL utilize a select group of health insurance companies, most likely the ones that contributed to the campaign funds of those who supported universal health care, who will then raise rates to cover costs so they make a huge profit off of the gov, who will raise OUR taxes to cover what they pay to insurance companies. It's a mad, mad, mad circle I tell ya.
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Originally Posted by willravel
So the police don't investigate crimes? We were talking about the police, not separating out specific functions of the police. Of their full list of responsibilities, that which you'd have to pay for if it was privatized, includes investigation of crimes.
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you're obfuscating the issue by saying that everyone pays for and utilizes ALL police functions because they can't fend for themselves, yet no police department has ever been held liable for failure to protect an american citizen. What is it we're paying for again?
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Originally Posted by willravel
Oy vey. For the millionth time, a public system of health is always cheaper than a private system. And not just in health. Look at prisons. Look at military. Look at anything. It's always cheaper when it's public.
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You know not what you speak of. I had military health and dental care and 16 years AFTER, I still have the holes they drilled in my molars that they just didn't fill. Military medicine sucks ass. Prison medical care is better because a wacko liberal group decried the prison system for letting violent criminals waste away in their cells. Medicare and Medicaid, public health systems BTW, continue to drop their coverages while raising their rates and fees. Stop looking through the beer bottles at universal health care.
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Originally Posted by willravel
What if a doctor accidentally cuts off my arm? Seriously? That's going to be your argument? Give me a break. Most malpractice suits are about mistakes. A sutcher is left in place, a vein is nicked, or some gauze is left in the body. Most of those cases can be resolved 100%. In the rare cases that's not true, other arrangements can be made. If, for some ludicrous reason, someone were to cut off your leg (wtf?), then that person shouldn't be practicing medicine. He should be a butcher or something.
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Will said doctors be getting malpractice insurance through the gov? If they do, you won't see a dime if something were to happen to you.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Only a freshman economy student thinks that competition is always necessary. And only someone who's too stubborn to admit he or she is wrong would stick to an argument like "freedom is always 100% right". Freedom is not only subjective, but it's relative. There's no freedom for me to have 100% free healthcare. There's no freedom for people who are broke to get any health care. What about their freedom?
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The ONLY thing that keeps costs down is competition in the market and that is NOT just a freshman view. ALL of history shows that whenever you have a monopoly, or a select few providing said service, prices go up because they can demand AND expect it, for where else will you obtain such service?
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Originally Posted by willravel
The government is not a corporate entity, and it's not profit driven.
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In this you are right, however, the government isn't interested in profit, they are only interested in spending humongous amounts of money that they take from US. It has been that way throughout history, still.