Quote:
|
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Then with this view, you're saying that socialism isn't about personal freedom and liberty at all, but about a government body making rules and laws on how you will live your life because they know whats best for you, right?
|
You know what's best for yourself, but that doesn't stop you doing it. People should be responsible for themselves. It has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with responsibility.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
name one program that the federal government has built that runs efficiently....on its own.
|
How about I name 10?
ACHP
Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigations Board
Federal Maritime Commission
Merit Systems Protection Board
National Archives and Records Administration
National Council on Disability
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
National Institute of Mental Health
National Park Service
I can name a lot more.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
do you truly think that the government, through OUR taxes, is going to be able to foot the bill for ALL medical care? Will, you are much smarter than that.
|
I am pretty smart. I'm smart enough to do my homework on the issue. How much would we be paying per person if we had the same system as the UK, in taxes? I know the answer to this question. How much do we pay in our current system?
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I believe he's simply referring to having the ability to prevent violent crimes upon your own person, not investigating crimes that have already happened.
|
So the police don't investigate crimes? We were talking about the police, not separating out specific functions of the police. Of their full list of responsibilities, that which you'd have to pay for if it was privatized, includes investigation of crimes.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Again, so because people CHOOSE to harm themselves or be in higher risk, I get to assume that risk. The people you say should be charged more are some of the same people that cannot afford it in the first place.
|
Oy vey. For the millionth time, a public system of health is always cheaper than a private system. And not just in health. Look at prisons. Look at military. Look at anything. It's always cheaper when it's public. So even if people are asked to pay a bit more because they smoke or don' exercise, they're still pay a lot less than they would be paying into a private medical service.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
So that heart you have in your body, what dollar value to you give it? your legs? what do you do if the doctor accidentally cuts off your leg or arm? He goes back to school, they give you a prostetic and pat you on the head and send you on your way? WTF is that?
|
What if a doctor accidentally cuts off my arm? Seriously? That's going to be your argument? Give me a break. Most malpractice suits are about mistakes. A sutcher is left in place, a vein is nicked, or some gauze is left in the body. Most of those cases can be resolved 100%. In the rare cases that's not true, other arrangements can be made. If, for some ludicrous reason, someone were to cut off your leg (wtf?), then that person shouldn't be practicing medicine. He should be a butcher or something.
Really, though, I was expecting a better argument than that. Jeez.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Because so far I have not in my lifetime ever seen a government agency in the United States work to my advantage. Understand what I said, work to my advantage. As an aside the deregulation of utilities has lead to more money out of my pockets than ever before for the same electricity and telephone. So I also don't see corporations being the end all either. A blend of the two I'm happy to live with in some capacity to prevent things like Enron, Tyco, MCI.
|
Lol... so when was the last time you ate a can of tuna and died from mercury poisoning? Or is death an advantage? More hyperbole, exaggeration, and appeals to ignorance.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
Insurance companies going out of business? So then where is my choice you touted I would have if I didn't want to get the Universal coverage? Where's the choice? If Insurance companies don't exist then where is the competition?
|
Only a freshman economy student thinks that competition is always necessary. And only someone who's too stubborn to admit he or she is wrong would stick to an argument like "freedom is always 100% right". Freedom is not only subjective, but it's relative. There's no freedom for me to have 100% free healthcare. There's no freedom for people who are broke to get any health care. What about their freedom?
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cynthetiq
You are now touting a monopoly by the government, when earlier you suggested that people will still have choices.
|
The government is not a corporate entity, and it's not profit driven.