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Did I in anyway disparage science? Did I in anyway say that science is abstract, wrong, or downplay science in anyway.... I'd like to see where I did.

The worst thing I said about science was that "science is pure impuricism and by virtue of it's method it totally excludes metaphysics." That's it.

Did I anywhere insult or degrade someone for their beliefs in science? No the worst I did was to say that those who believe in just science and refuse to discuss with respect others beliefs are closed minded.

I consider anyone, who refuses to show respect for another's belief, to be very small minded (it has nothing to do with intelligence). I feel that way about Pagans who dislike Christians, Christians who believe they are the only ones that are right, KKK members, Black Panther members and so on. To me, a closed mind/small mind has a very negative outlook and is far more dangerous than showing respect for others.

As I stated before, SCIENTIFICALLY, one of the most major "facts" is "Like energies attract, opposites repel each other." I believe, it's called the Law of attraction and is proven from the atom up.... Postive protons repel negative electrons... oops I did say neutrons first, silly me, I got ahead of myself. Neutrons are neutral, hence the name and are needed to keep balance in an atom and hold it together. Perhaps, neutrons are like open minds used to balance out the closed minds on both sides.


One of the major givens in psychology is that when you attack another's beliefs it actually reinforces their belief and makes them more apt to react negatively to outside forces. In other words, what we have going on in this country is we have been pushing God out of everything, the religious fight back because they feel threatened. Instead of finding a ground that can accept both theories, (as evolution nor creationism have been proven... both are solely BELIEF BASED aspects of man's existence), both sides are demanding all or nothing.

It stems from small closed minds who want only their beliefs deemed the best in mankind's interest. The fight has nothing to do with the truth.

Open minded individuals and people willing to show others respect, will learn both theories and decide for themselves which THEY, the individual, wishes to believe.

As for this: That statement just shows true prejudice, hatred and blows apart any argument you have of trying to have a civil, respectful discussion. That statement alone proves beyond doubt that you care not about anyone else's beliefs, yet you demand everyone accept yours. Because Paganism isn't a brand new religion, it is ANY non Abrahamic monotheistic religion or belief... you know Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, the ancient religions from Egypt, Rome, Greece, Norse, North American... and so on. Oh yeah and wait, it would also include science and atheist believers. But I digress.

We are guaranteed the right to believe how we choose to by the US Constitution... so why shouldn't "pagans" be allowed to practice in the military or have freedom to worship how they wish in prison. Been my experience that finding religion and inner happiness because of that has bettered lives. I don't think I have ever seen anyone who has found that, living an unhappier, worse life than they were before finding it.

I beg to differ, it is all about me and my beliefs, you were the one attacking my beliefs because they didn't live up to what you decided was the correct and proper way of coming to a belief.

You attacked my beliefs..... show me where I EVER attacked yours in this thread.

Again, the Law of Attraction.... if you push and push someone's beliefs and keep negatively attacking their beliefs they in turn respond negatively. You show respect of others views and open mind and you receive positive exchanges back.

But maybe that's too scientific.

Actually, I think accepting, respecting and being open to learning new philosophies, spiritualities and religions opens one's mind even farther to be more critical thinking and promotes a true positive atmosphere for critical thinking.

I find your way of.... BELIEVE MY WAY is far less conducive to critical thinking, thinking for one's self, willing to learn and be open to other ideas and new ways of doing things. In other words, I see it exactly the opposite of how you do.

Wait, if Science is the new true belief and all else is hokey fairy tales then why do you use these words? So, we don't know for FACT any of this is true, it's the
Who cares what someone else believes as long as they respect my right to believe the way I wish to and they do a job competently, pay their bills and work to better society?

Again, this adds to the prejudicial, anger, hatred that you are exuding. You are creating far more negatives than I have in this thread. But yet, your way is the only way to a better society? People shouldn't be allowed to believe anyway they desire even if they are bettering society. Well, your truth does come out now doesn't it.

BTW, who determines who's beliefs are right and wrong? After all, your beliefs are only . We as in who?

And if it is science, then that is scary as things keep evolving and disproving other things. Again, comes from man and man is fallible, has been proven to make mistakes in every "science", emotional and only knows what he can hear, see, feel or BELIEVES to be true.

Really, again your pomposity and prejudice shows and you contradict what you state to be what we should follow as our guideline for a better society.

I find the opposite to be true, those with open minds, those accepting of others beliefs and those that show respect and converse in positive ways are by far more intelligent. As for education, anyone can learn from books and in college, all they truly have to do is go to class.

So, because I believe in the things I do you want to tell me I'm uneducated, I have little understanding of science, or even basic biology... by all means start a new thread and quiz me but I get to quiz you in return. Bring it, otherwise, again this is just a prejudicial hate filled statement from you.

I so look forward to your reply. Oh yeah, I can't remember if I ever mentioned this, as I am not one to brag about my past achievements but I was selected to be in the US NAVY NUCLEAR school. Only means I had to score a 98 on the ASVAB and a 95 on the NUKE TEST. I scored higher, in fact I was in 1988 among the 5 highest scores ever on the Nuke test. So tell me again how undereducated I am in science. I ask, because I know you will not have the "time" or find another reason not to test me.... especially if I get to test you in return.

Just a friendly challenge to you.

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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"