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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Sorry, I assumed you might have some. I have some Democrat friends and was raised in a Democrat household. I ask my Democrat friends and family questions on a regular basis. Our new rule is I can't talk politics at Thanksgiving. They seem to really hate being asked questions, I don't get it - other than the fact that they don't really know what they believe.
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I do have friends who are Democrats, but they usually just let me do the talking when it comes to politics.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
Context. I did not call into question your motives. I just question the truth behind your statement. On the surface it seems obvious that troops would be safer not in Iraq. the reality is that their may be people who live in Washington D.C. at greater risk of being harmed by violence that a soldier in Iraq.
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You didn't post any non-death related statistics. What about losing limbs? What about blindness? What about having chunks removed from your body from an IED? What about psychological effects? They're all harmful. Yes, death wise they're safer in Iraq. Not harm-wise. Also, only a small percentage of soldiers are from DC, and DC is the most violent place in the US. Why not compare Iraq to the average? Or compare the worst place in Iraq to DC.
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
I also, say that wanting our troops to come home safely and unharmed is a given, that question has no place in the discussion about the war in Iraq. The issue is the war.
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They're linked. That these soldiers are not dying for their country is symptomatic of the fact that Iraq wasn't about defense, and it's wrong to have a war in which you're the aggressor. outside of the fact that we don't want our soldiers to die for nothing, the reality is that global terrorism is on the rise as a direct result of our ignorant military actions, and Iraq is without any doubt far worse today than it was under Saddam Hussein and it shows no signs of improvement. To the contrary, it's getting worse. The very security forces we're training have simply become another sect in the civil war, and because they're paid so little, a few simple bribes gets rid of their effectiveness (you can't find this on the news, but TFPers who served can verify this). We're switching sides, claiming the terrorists of yesterday are the freedom fighters of today, and arming Iraqi insurgents who killed Americans just months ago.
Remaining there is madness.