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Tilted Cat Head
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Originally Posted by raveneye
I'm sure every scientist has biases, but you're requiring us to believe that all the science academies and the IPCC (hundreds of scientists) and 99% of active climate science laboratories across the globe for the last 20 years all independently happen to have the same bias. Probably pointless to ask, but, do you have any evidence? Was there a meeting I missed?
The bottom line is that all lines of scientific evidence are in agreement and converging on the same conclusion. Ice cores, stable isotopes, reconstruction of past climate, controlled physical experiment, monitoring of plant communities, of snow/ice cover, of extreme events, of global and regional temperatures, of ocean currents and temperatures, of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, models based on physics, etc. are all telling us the same story. That's what "consensus" means, and that's where there is no symmetry between the two sides.
If you disagree, then feel free to bring up a line of scientific evidence that contradicts the consensus.
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I don't feel the need to bring up a line of scientific evidence. I can just point to climatic cycles of previous ice ages and retreats. They happened WITHOUT the affect of human beings and industrialization. I cite that as my "critical thinking" point. "is it likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activity." is EQUAL to the fact that climatic cycles have gone on for millenia without the intervention of human beings and their contribution of greenhouse gases. Note that the scientists themselves state LIKELY, not DEFINITIVELY.
At one point the greatest minds of science thought the world was flat and that the heavens revolved around the earth. There was a consensus back then, they had evidence that proved their points.
dc: I do normally try to check sources as best as I can, but again, 10 minutes for each thread/post or even citation is a considerable amount of time. If I was to do the same for a single host post it can cost me almost an hour. If you don't think that the case, great, I am glad that you do have the time. I try to when I can, and cannot all the time.
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upon rethinking what I have posted here I thought to clarify this a bit more
I don't reject that humans have an affect on the current state. I am however rejecting flat out that humans have CAUSED the current state.
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Last edited by Cynthetiq; 10-05-2007 at 06:50 AM..
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