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Originally Posted by xxxafterglow
Secret,
I just have to disagree with you. We're on a messageboard so we're limited in communication but please don't assume that I'm speaking on behalf of all women. Please don't assume that Midnight is speaking on behalf of all women, either.
I don't think you're getting that we're not playing the "us vs them" game, we're playing the "this is my world, here's what it's like" game.
While Sex and the City isn't for all women, it's geared TOWARDS women, it's about women and their issues. I was merely pointing out that our society crafts and promotes gender differences and it's pretty naive to act ignorant of this fact when you're talking about gender relations.
Men will never fully understand what it's like to be a woman (physically, socially, emotionally) and vice versa. That's why we have to talk.
And I really don't think the participants in this thread are taking notes for the almighty bible to understanding the sexes. We're just opening lines for communication and throwing out ideas.
Tec asked the question and women responded. And then a couple women agreed and a couple guys took offense. Tell me again about how we're all the same.
Men and women are biologically different. Men and women are socialized differently. Ergo, differences. That's all I can say, take it or leave it.
EDIT: I'm not trying to attack you - I suppose I'm defending my right to be a woman (and different from a man) in all its contexts. PS I also love Metric so props. One of the last cds I ever bought.
EDIT2: HA HA, I also really love PEACHES. Pff you guys.
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Well, obviously I respect that you have that opinion, but my own life experiences with women have proved to me that, ultimately, women and men are equally complicated, equally difficult to understand, and require the exact same level of communication. Perhaps going into a relationship a man and woman may have different "worlds," but my point is that we choose whether or not to uphold that or break it down. When communication transcends male vs female, it leads to understanding and defining one another as
people, and allows us to discover that we're really not as different as we tend to think.
Women are just as capable of being slobs, or liking sex, as men are. Throughout history, people have traditionally placed women on pedestals and highlighted differences. As insane as it sounds for us to hear him say it, when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claims that women are highly respected in Iran, he actually believes this. Oppressive cultures that require women to cover themselves up often do so because of misguided views regarding the power, mystery, and purity of womanhood. Claiming that women are cleaner, more courteous, more sensitive, or any of those other things strikes me as a slightly less offensive, more Western version of these same types of attitudes. Women in the West, because of the "differences" that we are taught as truths, are often afraid to vocalize their sexual fantasies and desires to their partner, because even in the West, women are not supposed to be as kinky or as sexual as men are. Not long ago, the president of Harvard essentially claimed that women were less involved in math and sciences because they're simply not designed that way. Here, again, we have this attitude that men and women "think differently."
We create our own truths and our own realities. We choose the nature of our relationships. We can continue to base our communication on preconceived notions about how we're "different," or we can move beyond that and learn to respect one another as individuals who are all equally capable of being clean, messy, sexual, caring, indifferent, or any other quality.
Anyway, glad to know we have similar tastes in music
