will: i do understand that. my point was that your list seemed a little bit hyperbolic...understandably for the sake of argument, but still. i think reasonable minds can disagree over whether there is sufficient proof that a fetus represents an independent human life prior to birth. i don't think there is much dissension about a 3 or 4 year old.
i don't think we will ever gain scientific 'certainty' about that point: you can show little hands and feet and all kinds of junk, and without having a 'soulometer' (and agreeing what a soul means, and blah blah blah) there's no way to show independent human life versus the development of a vessel to receive a soul at birth...this argument largely takes on a non-scientific aspect.
i think it becomes a question of whether you are more afraid of the possibility of murdering a fetus/potential person, or altering / potentially ruining the life of a definitely alive person.
the rest of the science here is just mumbo-jumbo, because it's not definitive. we don't even have standards by which to judge definitive in the case, so its more like a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at each other at the zoo.
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